Stupid government or $%&^%& stupid government?

[The Ghost of RubangB]

TheRealMafoo said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

TheRealMafoo said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

TheRealMafoo said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:
Fat people got fat on their own. There is no fat-economy that lets some be thin and forces the people on the bottom to get fat. The economy needs poor people to exist, and that's bad.

Poor people got fat on their own. There is no economy that lets some be rich and forces the people on the bottom to get poor. The fat-economy needs fat people to exist, and that's bad.

Uh... what?

With money, there's not enough room at the top for everybody.

With fatness, there is room for everybody to be obese (we're on our way there) or for everybody to be healthy.

You see, my fatness and your fatness are not related.  However, we live in a global economy and our payczechs ARE related.

my point was, if you live in the US, you live in a country that does not have a single law I can think of, that keeps you poor.

No one, in the US anyway, is forced to be poor.

My point is, if you live in the US, you live in a country where healthy peole don't need fat people to be healthy, but rich people need poor peole to be rich.  If rich people had to build their own cars and houses and toilets and manage their own farms, they wouldn't have enough time to work at their really fancy jobs and be so rich.

 

If you had a family of 10 people, each with different skill sets, it would make sense to have a few in charge of hunting, a few in charge of cooking, one in charge of making clothes, a few in charge of building your house, etc. etc. and maybe you'd have one person in charge of the family, the patriarch or matriarch making the executive decisions about how to deal with other families, but if he ate all the food and told the family to fuck off, they'd beat the shit otu of him.

Now imagine that that family is 300 million people, and all the executives moved into gated communities and told the hunters, chefs, and clothesmakers "Haha, you stupid fucks, you deserve your shit jobs because you're lazy and don't work as hard as me."

This is a pretty sloppy analogy, but I still think it makes my point that rich people can't be rich without millions of poor people to package their food and clean their toilets.  Show me one rich person who lives in a bubble.

In the case of the giant country, when you have a rich class insulting the poor and exploiting them, you either get a revolution or if it's a democracy, the poor majority start voting for a fairer system and you end up TURNING INTO EUROPE.

yes, you need rich people and poor people, but nothing says you have to be in any group. So with 20 people, if 5 were going to be poor, the incentive is not to be one of those 5.

The advantage of capitalism, is even those 5 live a better life then all 20 if they were in a different form of government.

You call yourself poor. but you have a PC, a Mac, an internet connection, a gaming system or you would not be on this site.

Poor is a relative term.  500 years ago it meant you didn't get to eat. Today, it means you get basic cable, and not the high end stuff.

 

When you get a big security blanket for the poor, the incentive to be rich doesn't go away.  I have enough to survive.  I don't get lazy and give up on life and just hang out on the internet.  I'm still going to school and trying to better myself.  They still have rich people in Europe too.  You should want to keep poor people happy so they don't go crazy and start looting and robbing and attacking people.

I don't call myself poor (although 3 years ago I was under the poverty line, I passed it in October 2005, no idea where I am now though, most likely under it again).  I'm just broke as hell right now.  I was living large the last couple years until I went back to school full-time and stopped working 2 jobs.  I saved most of my money for years and then blew 4 grand traveling across Japan and buying a really nice camera for the trip.

Today we're a lot better off than 500 years ago, but there are still poor people starving to death and freezing to death in America.