Squilliam said:
NintendoMonopoly said:
Squilliam said:
NintendoMonopoly said:
Squilliam said:
Ail said:
trestres said:
Ohh the bitterness in Ail is just hilarious lol :P
Btw you are posting right now! Go play your games, you won't have enough time, right? |
I can't bring my console to work or I would :((((
I'm not bitter, the success of the Wii hasn't affected my gaming at all and I'm not the one making bitter thread about the lack of releases on my consoles or the poor quality of third party software...
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I am forced to offer my +1 manship. The Wii may have a large market share, but I doubt it has more than 1/3rd of the market I actually care about. |
The PC market??? Ofcourse, not. Not yet, but wait until they start releasing killer application "games" like, "Pokemon PowerPoint", "Mario PhotoShop", "Wii Word". Then, you're going to see some crazzy:):):):):):) John Lucas like sales.
Maybe you don't care, but I happen to enjoy both casual and core games. Most normal gamers do, unlike diehard fanboys, that only care about brand image and snobcore gollums that are too far removed from the real world to see the light; that social gaming just might be fun. A type of fun that doesn't require investing constant meaningless devotion and sacrificing any existence of a personal life, but to each his own.
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I personally don't care about Wii Fit (Though I own and continue to use it) Wii Sports (Always bundled) Wii Play (I even own this, was going to buy a controller but it was only $10 more) nor Links Xbow training (Another hardware bundle). I also definately don't care about another 100 or so releases which don't cater to me personally.
Just so I don't sound like a complete Wii hater to you, im personally very interested in sales of Mario Kart (Which I do admit I have yet to get for myself) and SSBB (for which I just purchased a GC controller for)
Btw Social game is fun, you should find out the joys of stomping your neighbour into oblivion in a multiplayer GOW match, its also one franchise which should translate to Wii type controls very well if Microsoft should choose to go in that direction next generation (Which I hope they do)
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But why have any Wii hate at all? it's not like Nintendo killed your only son or left you marooned in a barren wasteland to die...
NIN-TEN-DOOO!!!!
God Of War is going to have a verus mode?!?!? Hot damn!!! Oh wait! You mean Gears. Really? That was the best thing you could think of for multi-play? Not L4D, which btw pails in comparison to HL2. Well, you did say MP3 didn't interest you at all. That speaks volumes about your taste in fps gaming. The 1st Gears was fun, but it was more about the campaign for me. Even that seemed a little redundant. Gears2 is is living up to a lot of what was promised with the 1st, but the duck and cover system lends itself more to single/co-op, if you ask me. I expect part 3 to really impress.
"The joys of stomping your neighbor"... sure that's fun for awhile, when I'm playing more hardcore players, but this ideology about multi-player gaming is part of what's wrong with old school game designing. Why does it always have to be so damn serious? Do you think my non-gamer friends/family enjoy thoroughly getting the crap beaten out of them constantly? Hell, I don't enjoy it. It feels awkward and more than a little embarrassing.
I'd rather have it be more like a party, where it's just about having fun. I know, you're not going to try to tell me you haven't noticed, when people play Wii games in a group they're more excited, then when playing regular games. As added bonus, not only can I start up an off-line mp game easier, I also get to hang out with people that are actually fun to be around, instead of people that are completely anti-social.
I guess we just have different taste. You completely miss the entertainment that the Wii brings. Your loss. I'm not sure how so many could be blind to how others could find the Wii to be an advancement to gaming in a lot of ways (not all, but a big brave leap by Ninty, none the less). It's not like I don't acknowledge the 360 & PS3 as fun. They are. It's just, for me they are secondary to PC+Wii+Handhelds. Which really is more than enough for most gamers.
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Oh hell no
My issues with the Wii are these two:
- The controller really can fire the imagination of developers I give them that, but unfortunately it doesn't have the performance to let their games go where their mind takes them.
- The controller simply doesn't work properly for me. Given the fact that it should be easy to set up, my 53" LCD doesn't give me any kind of precision when playing. Its disapointing but I don't have a 2nd TV.
So im not a Wii hater, but I am disapointed with what potential and scope there was for all manner of games but it could not be realized due to the conservatism of Nintendo. They didn't realise what they had, and if they did they didn't believe in it enough to give it the "right" kind of backing to really make their concept flourish for everyone and every possibility the human imagination could germinate.
Btw, consider a game - Halo 3, its got an attach rate thats higher than Mario-Kart and its the same game which defined social in the last generation. So to label FPS gamers as anti-social is pretty stereotypical.
Btw - have you played SSBB AND Halo 3 at the same time on the same TV with 5 other people? Picture in Picture is FTW I tell you! 
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While I respect your opinion on the subject, I just don't agree. I assume you knew the the Wii Hate comment wasn't serious. I didn't think you'd believe I'd really consider you a Wii hater based on your 1st comment, but when you brought it up, the idea seemed too easy to poke fun at, that I couldn't pass it up. Even though I don't care, what games sales you keep track of, it seems what games you're interested in shouldn't matter. For instance to get a grasp on the worth of 1 game's sales, you'd compare it to all games in general. Anything less, sounds like a way to overrate 1 game and sell another game short, to me.
1. I don't think performance is really the issue you make it out to be. Great ideas have already been tapped into, but it hasn't been a standard to put the effort out there. I'm sure the controls are intimidating and it's much easier to fall back on grfx as a crutch. It's really laziness and lack of creativity. I mean if you can get away with doing less, there's not much incentive to do more. I think when developers start coming out with games that are both large scale and creative, people will take notice. Just like anything new, I'm sure it take some practice working out the kinks. Besides grfx, most things can be done nearly or exactly the same, as they could with higher performance. It was never a big enough hindrance on the ps2, for companies to stop them from releasing creative titles.
2. Hmmm...I've never had this problem and I've played on a 60" and a projector that blew image up to the size of a wall. A little bit of response time might be lost, but it's still much better than the alternative.
Halo- I didn't say Halo wasn't , but it's not really the same thing. If it was, the the X-Box would have sold like crazy. Hard to think a game could redefine social gaming, when it was on a system that got completely overshadowed. Most causals I know complain about things like having to play some 12 yo that spends all day playing Halo, just to hear them talk trash and see their characters being danced on, or the game not holding their attention. You I didn't even say fps were anti-social. What I was getting at, was that a lot of the people speaking out about the Wii attracting a new audience are anti-social. People need to get over it. Maybe if they approached it with an open mind, they might actually enjoy it.
Lastly, I know both the PS3 and 360 have games that appeal to causal gamers to a degree, just as the Wii has some games that appeal to core gamers to a degree. I like both causual and core games. It sounded to me like you were saying the former didn't appeal to you. I don't see how any of this stops you from enjoying your 360 games or me from doing the same. I'd just like to be able to have fun playing Wii games, and be able to talk about it, too, without constantly hearing how the don't matter, because they don't appeal to some one else whose in the minority on the subject.
