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mrstickball said:
akuma587 said:
Obama isn't advocating socialized medicine, just FYI.

Care to explain Obama's plan to me then? Because this is what I get from his own website (BarakObama.com/healthcarefullplan.pdf):

No quotes due to improper formatting:

The Obama-Biden plan both builds on and improves our current insurance system, which most Americans
continue to rely upon, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. Under the Obama-Biden
plan, Americans will be able to maintain their current coverage, have access to new affordable options, and see
the quality of their health care improve and their costs go down. The Obama-Biden plan provides new
affordable health insurance options by: (1) guaranteeing eligibility for all health insurance plans;

(2) creating a
National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses purchase private health insurance;

(3)
providing new tax credits to families who can’t afford health insurance and to small businesses with a new
Small Business Health Tax Credit;

(4) requiring all large employers to contribute towards health coverage for
their employees or towards the cost of the public plan;

(5) requiring all children have health care coverage; (5)
expanding eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs;

and (6) allowing flexibility for state health reform plans.

Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through the Federal
Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the program through which Members of Congress get
their own health care. Plans will include coverage of all essential medical services, including preventive,
maternity and mental health care.

(4) EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful
contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a
percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan
. Small businesses will be exempt from this
requirement.

(6) EXPANSION OF MEDICAID AND SCHIP. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expand eligibility for the
Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net
function.

 

Obama veils it as a "National Healthcare Exchange" but then says that such coverage will go from job to job...How would that be the case unless it was universal coverage? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there's a national plan, that means that it invovles more socialism. Maybe not one-size-fits-all, but it's the beginning of it.

1) Contribute does not mean pay for the healthcare plan.  It doesn't say that the employers will have to pay for their employees healthcare, it says they will have to contribute.

2) Insurance for children is ludicrously cheap.  And it will also end up saving money in terms of healthcare cost because poorer families won't have to go to the emergency room (which they often do) for basic medical care.

 



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