@endimion
Really? Well, live is worth less than I thought which means the 360 minus live is worth more. The point still stands, if you're really into online multiplayer games then live is more than worth $50. If you're not then it's no reason to dock the 360. If you're interested in occasional online games then $50 isn't much anyways. And of course it would still be up to each gamer to weigh the cost-benefit of each system for themselves.







