OMG... the Economist endorses Obama.

[TheRealMafoo]

akuma587 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

steven787 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

It's not about the money, it's about there liberties. Basically, you feel they don't need all that money, so it's OK to take it from them.

That should be illegal in this country.

Taxing the rich more to pay a larger percentage of the bills is ok, taxing then just because people think the poor should get some of it, isn't.

See that bolded part.  Ok...

Responding to your post:  Graduated taxes are not there because they can pay more.  Graduated taxes are there because wealthy people gain more from a stable government.  If you're poor, you'll be poor no matter what (even if the gov't pays for your healthcare or cuts a welfare check).  If you're rich then you have more to gain by keeping the gov't afloat and the masses pacified.

I really do not see what is so complicated.

Why do we care so much about the poor again?

We live in a country where anyone can go to school, get a job, and be successful. Some people took that road (and trust me, it's a lot harder then not), and we don't seem to give a shit about them. Others decided College was just to much work (and don't go with the "cant afford it" bullshit. In some states you can live off of grant money from going to school).

Why again are we so worried about how those that don't take care of themselves live, and so little about the ones that did all the right things in there lives?

I want someone on this site who is poor and lives in the US, to explain to me why they had no other option to improve there income.

I get tired of worrying about those that did not worry about themselves. You want more money, go fucking earn it like the rest of us.

Why do we care so much about the rich again?  They are a much smaller percentage of the population than the rest of the country.

And your just plain ignoring reality if you think everyone can afford to spend four years in college.  Not to mention the fact that the federal government has rolled back a lot of the financial aid and grant programs.

You act like at every point in a poor person's life they are given the chance to become a CEO of a major company.  While that may be true for some:

1) There can only be so many rich people, everyone else will be poor.

2) You act like a person's circumstances when they start in life don't at all influence the quality of their life, their education, there general knowledge about the way the economy works, and their likelihood of succeeding.

You act like it is just as probable that a poor person will become a millionaire as a person who started out life with millions of dollars in the bank already.  You like to throw out all these platitudes about how anyone can succeed, which in a sense are true, but which also flat out ignore the fact that not everyone can be rich and that people who are already rich are far more likely to stay rich.

America wouldn't work if everyone owned million dollar mansions.  A capitalistic system is based on sacrificing the many for the few.  But that doesn't mean we can't ensure basic rights for the poor.  I am not advocating handing every poor person a check, but what is wrong with paying for their healthcare or helping them out with their education, or even offering their children daycare.  It is far more difficult for women with children to move upwards in society as well short of simply marrying someone who is rich already.

 

 

You are so disconnected from reality it's scary. Capitalism is not " A capitalistic system is based on sacrificing the many for the few." That's communism. Also, you make it sound like the poor don't have a chance to not be poor.

I was poor, and to not be poor was really not that hard. I waited tables for 8 years while I went to school. Now I am in the upper middle class range. I am no more special then anyone else willing to put forth the effort I did.

And who cares how hard it is. Life is not fair. Life never will be fair. All that can be done is to give the people the ability to pull themselves up. You make it sound like a large percentage of Americans are just not good enough to be rich.

Sorry, I have more faith in people then that.