Madden 08 reviews

[sinha]

Bodhesatva said:

sinha said:

 

The PC and DS are not comparable to the three consoles, you must realize this. As I already said, people looking to buy a console to play Madden will be choosing between the Wii, 360 and PS3, and reading the Madden reviews for those three versions of the game.

Because apparently some people (but not you) might be under the mistaken impression that the Wii is also a "next-gen console" and in competition with the PS3 and 360, not in competition with the PS2.

In fact in an earlier comment in this thread you say: "The Wii/PS3 are not directly competing with each other."

You're a mod, right? Perhaps Vgchartz should change their front page design to reflect this.

 

I'm not a Sony fanboy, I don't own a PS3, PS2, PS1 or PSP, and never have.

But:

-The Wii gets multiplatform games that are Wii-PS2 games, and very few multiplatform games that are Wii-PS3-360. Apparently even in the rare cases when it does (like Madden 08) the Wii's competition is the PS2 and not the superior 360 or PS3 versions, so it shouldn't be judged against those.

-The PS3 and 360 get a large number of multiplatform games that the Wii doesn't get, and will never get because it's not as powerful as the other two.

And

-The PS2 continues to sell both hardware and software.

 

So why not list PS2 hardware sales on the Vgchartz front page? That seems to be what the Wii is competing against.

The "chartz" are currently divided up: Wii/360/PS3 and DS/PSP.

Perhaps that should be: 360/PS3, Wii/PS2, and DS/PSP.

Please, Sinha, you've been using this logic for some time now. You could also say that the Wii is competing against nothing, because nothing has anything resembling its control scheme. You also somehow manage to completely discard the PC as "completely different," despite the fact that a great deal of 360/PS3 games are really PC/360/PS3 games; then you go on to discard the Wii because it often doesn't share multi-plats with 360/PS3. If you're going to discard the Wii because it does not have multi-plats, shouldn't you include the PC based on that same reasoning? In that case, shouldn't the 360/PS3 constantly be chided for having inferior graphical power?

The PS2 comparison is obviously invalid. The question of generation really isn't one of graphical -- or controller -- flexibility, it is of support. The PS2 is a system that is no longer receiving much marketing push (if any at all), the software support from first party development is almost completely gone, support from third parties is drying up, and the companies behind the system are deliberately killing it in order to promote their new machine. The Wii is new, seeing increasing support from both first and third party developers, and has a massive marketing push behind it. If this were a matter of graphics, then the 360, PS3 and Wii would all be last gen by now: high end PCs are already well beyond them in graphical capacity.

Every system should be graded on its own capabilities. I'm pretty sure you'd be livid if I reviewed every 360 game with "Sure, the graphics are good, but where are the motion controls? This is terrible."

I definitely wouldn't call you a PS fanboy, Sinha -- your interest in the PS3 seems tepid, at best. You are, however, a rather big fan of the 360, and you have shown, since your first post here, a rather rabid dislike of the Wii: you have even gone so far now as to suggest that it should be removed from the front page of VGChartz. I personally believe that the Wii is significantly more "next gen" than the 360 or PS3, but you won't see me complaining about their place on the main page.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Those are the next gen systems, and within a few weeks, the Wii will have sold more than any other. You should learn to accept this.

 

Well you made one mistake: I never said the Wii should be removed from the front page of Vgchartz. Your accusation is not supported by anything I have written either in this thread or anywhere else, it is a complete fabrication by you and you should be more careful in the future before spreading misinformation about others in a public forum and harming your own credibility.

I said the PS2 should be added to the front page of Vgchartz as long as it is still selling a significant amount of hardware and software (as opposed to Xbox/GC), and still getting brand new PS2 / Wii type games. Support may be "drying up" as you say, but it obviously has not yet dried up (GoW2, and as we'll soon see with Madden sales).

As far as the Wii is concerned, I made the above statements based on sham's quote "The Wii/PS3 are not directly competing with each other." He is a mod, right? Perhaps you should take it up with him.

As far as your counterpoint about the PC, I actually think that makes sense. There are certain multiplatform games that are for 360 and PS3 and also PC, for example many FPS and RTS games, and those console versions should be judged against how those games look and how those games play on the PC. And often times they do both far better on the PC. And often times people realize this and choose to buy those games on the PC rather than the 360 or PS3. This happens all the time with multiplatform FPS and RTS games.

You present that like it's some terrible result of following my rationale to its logical conclusion, but I think that's completely reasonable and that it happens all the time, and people choose to go with PC versions all the time if their PC can handle it. Of course there are still other differences between PC and PS2, in terms of whether Vgchartz should be listing hardware sales or not, it makes sense for PS2 at least at this point, in my opinion, for the reasons stated above.

And where people are choosing between the Wii, PS3 and 360 versions of a game, it makes sense for those games to be judged against each other, because that is the choice consumers have to make. And that should be the case even as it applies to the Wii controller. If Madden's Wii controller improves the quality of the game (whether it's motion controls or sound coming out of each controller), that should count for something, just as if the Wii version is inferior in another aspect, that should also be accounted for.