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Kasz216 on 17 October 2008
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akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

But we did kill civilians whether or not it was intentional.  Even if it wasn't intentional, is that any better than taking away people's property/invading their homes?  War creates too many unpredictable contingencies, and is an ineffective way to build lasting relationships between people and cultures.

I agree that Osama bin Laden is cooky and an opportunist, but Osama bin Laden could not have existed without regular people who were convinced by his words based on their own life experiences.  These people are the ones who give people like Osama bin Laden power because they are frustrated with the interventionism of Western culture.

 

We killed civilians in Saudi Arabia after the war?

Or do you mean that people died during the war... in Iraq?

Either way... does that mean we can't ever intervene to help our allies?

 

Either one, before or after the war.  Death is death, and people are affected by it whenever it happens, in war or outside of war.

No, helping out allies is important, but too often we take a hostile attitude towards people who don't treat us as liberators when we bring troops into their country, invited or not.  I am saying we should learn from our own history.

Many of the Founding Fathers were terrorists.  Boston Tea Party, an act of terrorism.  They were radicals and extremists.  Yet those people are our heroes. 

America today is incredibly similar to Britain then.  We have a hard time taking a step back and looking at our actions from both sides of the table.

When did this happen in the gulf war?  Once again... i'm going to have to ask for a source.

Is your arguement that we should of taken a completely defensive war in the gulf war. (Which would of still pissed off Osama.)

Also we would of had to invade Kuwait... since Iraq already had invaded Kuwait.

Also even then we would of had to bomb iraq or something... as pureley defensive wars never work and end up causing more damage to your allies.