PoliCHARTZ - Thread of U.S. Politics & the Presidential Election

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Kasz216 said:

akuma587 said:

Kasz216 said:

akuma587 said:

Kasz216 said:

akuma587 said:
Some FOX news bits:

Hey at least they aren't directly saying he's john Kerry... like uh... the current Democratic assaults on McCain.

It's the exact same thing on both sides.

 

Come on, voting records and political ideologies are completely fair game.  I agree that McCain will run his administration much differently than Bush, but I, someone who does like McCain, have been shocked at how many Bush policies McCain has adopted and is willing to maintain, especially the Bush tax cuts.  What happened to fiscal responsibility?

Fearmongering is completely different than attacking someone on issues.  Obama is pretty liberal, and I think it is fair game to talk about that, but the video makes it clear that many of these attacks are just from the Old Republican Bag O' Tricks that tap into America's distaste for "elitists" and "foreigners."

 

Isn't that exactly what fox news was doing?  Agrees with his party 97% of the time.  Changed his Iraq War policy etc.

 

Those are fine.  But watch the whole video, there are plenty of things completely unassociated with Obama's political stance.  When Anne Coulter shows up it gets really bad.

And by that logic McCain has flip-flopped on fiscal responsibility and his attitude towards the Bush tax cuts:

"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief."--John McCain, May 2001

"He voted against tax cuts in 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005, and this year he's for the tax cuts in the reconciliation bill. It looks like he did it for political reasons."
--Grover Norquist

And what happened to the whole balanced budget talk?  That is the McCain I want to see.  McCain can talk about pork barrel spending all he wants, but the only way we can get ourselves out of the fiscal whole we are in is raising taxes and cutting spending.  You can't just cut your way out of EVERYTHING.

 

He did.  Which is why he should be asked why he wants them around now?

Which I believe the reason is "When the economy was good we didn't need it to stimulate the economy, now that it's bad we do."

McCain hasn't stopped about talking about a balanced budget... and you can cut your way to a balanced budet.  You really can.  If your willing to cut ties politically.

Also, Obama really was endorsed by Fidel Castro and Hamas.  Isn't that new worthy?

 

I think the Hamas one is true (was withdrawn shortly afterwards), but Fidel Castro isn't even in office, so there is no weight behind his endorsement assuming it was made in the first place.

But did these people ever stop to think maybe if we didn't elect leaders who the rest of the world hated and do things that made the rest of the world hate us that those countries would have no reason to attack us?

When did terrorism take off?  Once we started poking our dick around in the Middle East in the Gulf War and with the whole Iran Contra fiasco.  Did you hear about terrorism before that?  No.  It pisses people off when you fuck around with their countries just to manipulate them either directly or indirectly (which is generally the perception of the foreign country even if that isn't true).

And whatever happened to the ideals of the Monroe Doctrine?  Why the hell are we sticking our dick in so many different places, especially when it involves miliatry force?  Bonds formed between countries based on economic relations are far more stable in the years to come than bonds based on military relations. 

Just look at how our relationship with Russia collapsed right after WWII because we got into a pissing contest with them over who could blow up the world more times over and indoctrinate more countries with an ideology.