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Torillian said:
Well then here. I estimate that it was a relative success. Look we're both right because there's no way to make a comparison of "hype" and therefore no way to validate either of our statements. That way I can say the game was a success, and you can keep touting it as a failure. Everyone wins.

I never claimed that it was a failure ... I said it could be considered a failure when you compared it to unrealistic expectations (which you agreed with).

Besides this, I used Ratchet and Clank as an EXAMPLE of how success and failure is a relative concept that depends on what you're comparing it to because it works really well. When compared to other Ratchet and Clank games, or to general expectations, it could be considered a failure whereas when you look at it from a financial perspective it was a successful game. Somehow, in making this point (that you appear to agree with) I was somehow generalizing PS3 fans and bashing Ratchet and Clank ...

There are released Wii games (Boom Blox, Zack and Wiki, and No More Heroes) which also fall into this category, and future Wii games (The Conduit) which will also fall into this category, but I wanted to use a game where the success from a financial perspective was obvious ...