vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
rocketpig said:
vlad321 said:
rocketpig said:
vlad321 said:
So you really think somehow they won't spin it so thatyour community is a bunch of seccesionists? Do you give your government so little confidence? Before you know it you will be labeled as terrorists or some other such crap. It's worked great so far in US history so I doubt it won't happen again. You are talking about you taking up guns against your government here. They just have to say "Signs of the civil war" and no one will give a shit about your communities because even the most redneck person knows what happened last time there were people going against the government.
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Ah, yes, I forgot about all those times the government sent in American soldiers to kill American citizens in America...
Wait, what?
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We all saw what happened the last time people went against the government, they even made their own army. I believe that's also when Atlanta was burned to the ground, among other things.
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So now you're resorting to Civil War references to back up your point.
I'm not quite sure what an armed populace has to do with state governments seceding, but whatever. The Civil War wasn't "people going against the government", it was "the seceded government going against the old government".
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The whole argument for guns is what happens when the current government decides to do smoething horrible that many people find unacceptable. Even though the slave issue was one of the most minor causes, the masses only knew of this and rose up against the government, resulting in the governments seceding from the federal government. The reason given for having guns is in case something gets passed that's as unappealing as the whole slave thing was back then to the southerners, at least the powerful ones, and we all know know what happened back then. Of course I'm gonna bring up the Civil War, why does history exist in the first place?
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Most people were against slavery.
Even in the South.
Now if the majority of the US then were against something... (which is what it's supposed to protect.)
The government would be facing like.... Iraq a hundred times worse... and basically be screwed. (Not me though. I'd be gone in this situation too.)
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That's simply not true, for the actual South states at least.
As I said before, if the overwhelming majority was agaionst something there'd be no need for guns then. The whole point of this is that the argument that guns should be owned by normal people is that so they can fend off the government. That is a BS argument because in either case guns won't help further any goals against the government.
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Sure it was, there was a level of antagonism between the North and the South and many other issues other then slavery.
Unless Fredrick Douglass was lieing to me... at least i believe that's where i read that recently, in Fredrick Douglasses Autobiography. I've read a lot of slavery stuff recently though so it may have been elsewhere.
Even a lot of slaveholders saw it as a necessisary evil.
Besides which, it doesn't change the point that the South was the minority in the civil war... and not a united majority.
