Aiemond said:
halogamer1989 said:
steven787 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Read it and weep. Obama has put a stay on the order that has him putting up his birth certificates. The one he did put up on his site, btw, used a printer that was made this year and not '61.
Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.
While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.
It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Official website of Phillip Berg, Attorney at Law (I know the url smells of bias but the documents there are quite official). |
His mother was a U.S. citizen, so he is automatically elidgible, just like McCain, who was born in Panama, or Goldwater who was born in Arizona before it was a state.
The birth certificate is a reprint, just like mine. I have my original in a safe and a certified reprint from the state of Florida. It says right on the front that it's a copy.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
( c ) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
BTW, about McCain he was born in Panama.
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
Which leads me to wonder why you are pushing one candidate's elegibility and not the other.
Is it his political alignment or his skin color?
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This is pathetic. McCain was born to a high-ranking admiral on a military base in US-leased land from Panama with 2 American parents. Obama was most likely born in Kenya with 1 American mother and 1 Kenyan father. The whole Kenyan side of his family said they saw him born. Your attempts to label me as a racist are pathetic as you should see my other posts on that issue. Do it again and I can assure you that the Report this Post button will be pressed.
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You did not discuss the small biz post that i gave for you to look at. Also, I posted about the legality of Obama's citizenship and you did not really discuss it either. Is it because there is no answer? Anyways, this, again, is from the citizenship code detailing who is a citizen from birth. 1401. 1401 includes, but is not limited to the relevant part I am going to post and peopel with two citizen parents born on us soil. So, in this code they are equal.
Here it is, again:
Obama Citizenship (even if born in kenya):
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1401.html
(g) "a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any
periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United
States, or periods of employment with the United States
Government or with an international organization as that term is
defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any
periods during which such citizen parent is physically present
abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of
the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed
Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States
Government or an international organization as defined in section
288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the
physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso
shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24,
1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its
present form on that date"
The provided part basically says that military service counts as "being in the US" for this exception
Now, it is common for people to want suits to be thrown out. Most of this is because of the hassle of litigation, such as time and money. Second, many nutty cases are thrown out. Being thrown out is a sign that a case has no merit or true evidence. The fact of the matter is, even if Obama is born in kenya, he is a citizen with equal stature as one born from two citizen parents in the US. A citizen at birth is a citizen at birth, there is no discrimination between the different stuations that allow it.
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Halogamer, Aeimond's provides that code, I provided the Hawaiian code on reprints. I can find more that say, it doesn't matter where a person is born, if the U.S. Government says he was born in the U.S. than he was born in the U.S.
The point of me bringing up McCain's birth, was not to show his ineligibility. He is eligible because his parents were.
He was not born on a military base. He was born in a military hospital, in a place that late became a military base. But as I showed above, that has NOTHING to do with citizenship.
I don't see how his father being an Admiral or any other profession has to do with citizenship. Does it make his father a better person than an 18 year old girl living in Hawaii?
As for racism, I didn't try to label you as a racist.
Since your position has no validity and Obama's is actually very similar to the other candidate's situation, I wanted to know which one. If there is another motive, tell me what it is.
Since you used diminuitive language to compare Obama's parents to McCain's parents, I realized: I left out elitism. I'm an elitist, so don't be offended by that.
I think your reasoning is very flawed, as is McCain's.
You think there should be less government, but want more regulation on Wall Street, government military training for all, more complicated tax codes, more use of the military.
Report me all day long, they can ban me if I over step the rules. Honestly, I didn't need to say it and you didn't need to answer because it is clear to each individual person what you are to them. Your comments as observed by me are one thing, to you they have another meaning, and to someone else another.
These made up issues aren't going to convince an undecided voter, you'd be better off explaining why McCain's plan's are better. Don't stoop to the level of a politician.
(BTW, I know I do it to, but I don't say I work for a campaign. Plus my candidate is going to win.)
