Kasz216 said:
totalwar23 said:
Kasz216 said:
He said the UN should pass a resolution against Russia. So yes. It seems pretty obvious that he didn't know that it would get vetoed. Otherwise he would of mentioned that. Or said the UN should progress with a resolution against russia desptie the fact that Russia would just veto it.
While John McCain said they should go foward with drafting a resolution despite the fact the russians would veto it.
If you can't see the difference in those two statements... you've just got your blinders on.
Put it this way... lets say I wasn't aloud in a certain store because the owner doesn't like me and refuses to sell me a sandwhich...
and after i tell these two guys one of them says "You should go into the store and buy yourself a sandwhich"
While the other guy says "You should go into the store and try and buy the sandwhich even though he won't sell it to you."
Isn't it fairly obvious that the first guy missed the point somewhere along the line... while the second guy thinks I should go along with the action as a protest?
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What Obama said:
"Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full scale war. Georgia's territorial integrity must be respected. All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Georgia, and the United States, the United Nations Security Council, and the international community should fully support a peaceful resolution to this crisis."
A prepared statement which meant absolutely nothing and speaks nothing about his knowledge about the UN.
Also,
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter5.htm
Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.
So yeah.
-mod edit- From now on please try to remove unecessary old quotes when you quote back and forth so we don't get a mountain of old quotes. Thanks~ - Sqrl
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Your ignoring Chapter VII of the UN charter... where the Russian veto does come into play.
Also that's not the UN resolution quote. This one is.
“The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia – the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.”
Where he calls for a UN resolution to go foward yet never mentions Russia would just veto it... indicating it could just happen.
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Nope. Under Chapter VII, Russia can vote in this matter but Russia must abstain from Chapter VI, which any purely symbolic resolution will fall under. If the UNSC decides to take actions against Russia, that's where Russia can veto it.
