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[appolose]

ManusJustus said:

appolose said:

I'm saying a nonphyscial realm cannot have the problems and implications of physical time applied to it, for it being nonphyscial.  It is, therefore, nonsenseical to ask what was happening in such a realm for all the time before it created this one, because there is no "before" in a nonphyscial realm.  God was not in limbo for eternity before the creation, because there was no eternity for him to be in.

I'm not saying that time cannot go on forever.  It's prefectly fine to think that the universe will keep going on and on.  What I'm saying is impossible is to have an infinite past, to have had the universe already experience an infinite amount of time, which is exactly like trying to count to infinity and past it; if the universe has been oscillating, then that's exactly what it would have to do by implication of the idea (count up to and past infinity).  Yes the universe can go on forever, but there where never be a point in its future where an infinite amount of time has passed.

Why is there no before in a spiritual realm?  There was a time in the spiritual realm before God created the Universe, and there was a time in the spiritual realm after God created the universe.  In that time before 'creation' I would suppose that God was in existence forever, rather than being created at a single point in time.

0 + infinity is the same thing as infinity plus infinity, it has an infinite value.  If you say there can be an infinite future then you are implying an infinite past.

There wasn't a time before the creation of the physcial, because time is a purely physcial concept.  One cannot ask what he was doing before creation because it's nonsensical to ask of a before.  That's not saying God came into existence the moment he created, it's just saying that time does not apply.

What I mean by it being able to have an infinite future is that we could wait 50 quadrillion years and it would still exist.  However, we could never wait an infinite amount of years (counting to infinity), which is what is implied by the oscillating universe idea.  No matter how long you wait, you'll never come to a point in time where there is an infinite amount of time behind you.