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[appolose]

ManusJustus said:

appolose said:

ManusJustus said:

Why cant we have crossed an infinite amount of time?

By your own definition wouldn't God, who was not created, have been here for an infinite amount of time?  Or do you believe that time is not infinite and instead that God and time started at a certain point?

For the same reason no one can count up to and past infinity.  For example, if the universe has been around for 6 hours, then that means the universe had gone through 6 hours of time.  If the universe had been around for an infinite amount of time, then that would mean that the universe had gone through an infinite amount of time.  And there is no way to get past an infinite amount of time, just as much as infinity can never be reached.

This problem does not apply to a postulated nonphysical being, however, because time is a property of the physical realm.  God has not had to endure forever because there is no forever, and no time at all, for him.

Essentially, what you are saying is that time in the spiritual realm can be infinite but time in the physical realm cannot.  God was hanging out in a spiritual realm for an infinite amount of time in the past and will be there for an infinite amount of time in the future, but for whatever reason this cant be for the physical realm.  Thats with the huge assumption that there is a spiritual realm.

I also fail to understand why time in the physical realm cannot be infinite.  Do you think that in the future, time will all the sudden stop and come to an end?

 

I'm saying a nonphyscial realm cannot have the problems and implications of physical time applied to it, for it being nonphyscial.  It is, therefore, nonsenseical to ask what was happening in such a realm for all the time before it created this one, because there is no "before" in a nonphyscial realm.  God was not in limbo for eternity before the creation, because there was no eternity for him to be in.

I'm not saying that time cannot go on forever.  It's prefectly fine to think that the universe will keep going on and on.  What I'm saying is impossible is to have an infinite past, to have had the universe already experience an infinite amount of time, which is exactly like trying to count to infinity and past it; if the universe has been oscillating, then that's exactly what it would have to do by implication of the idea (count up to and past infinity).  Yes the universe can go on forever, but there where never be a point in its future where an infinite amount of time has passed.