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Tispower1 on 23 September 2008
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ManusJustus said:
Tispower1 said:

Overwhelming evidence for the 'Big Bang' has given us evidence that the universe did in fact have a start.

Somehow came into being without a cause, or was caused by something that was uncaused.

Christians don't claim to have physically seen God, surely the best way of convincing people to follow a lie would be to tell them you saw something?

Three statements I find issues with:

1. The fact that there was a Big Bang doesn't mean that the universe started with the Big Bang.  The Big Bang was a huge explosion of energy from a single point in space, but that doesnt mean that space-time and physical laws did not exist before this explosion.  Have you heard the idea of an oscillating unvierse?  Where energy is condensed to a single point, expands due to physical forces, then collapses back in itself to repeat the process.  Have you heard of the idea of nil energy?  Where the total amount of energy in the unvierse is zero with positive and negative energies being seperated (think of the equation 1-1=0).  The underlying point here is that we cant see past the Big Bang (to the best of our knowledge), so its only an assumption that the universe started at this point in time.

2. So you suggest that God came into being without cause, but you insist that everything else must have a cause?

3. Christians have made such claims.  One of the biggest points in Christianity is that God came to Earth in the form of Jesus, or however you interpret this complicated monotheistic relationship.  Thats not to mention other stories of seeing or being in contact with God, such as Moses and the burning bush (a great example regarding your above point) or regular people who claim to have an experience with angels or God.

1. What about energy loss/entropy, surely eventually the universe would stop expanding, plus I seem to remember my physics teacher telling us that the rate at which the universe is expanding atm is increasing, which definately wouldn't fit with that theory, though unfortunately I have no idea what the source was on that! :(

2. According to atheistic beliefs the material universe is all there is, Christianity plus I'm sure other religions (!) accept that what there is around us isn't all there is, it isn't that weird to have a God who doesn't need a cause as he works outside of the constraints of a purely physical universe.

3. I was referring to many things people may make up nowadays. However, Jesus is a moot point given that even non-Christian primary sources from the period indicate he existed, rather than historical records (ie not stories/myths etc) indicating say Unicorns exist in modern times.