vlad321 said:
I switched the bolded parts to be me talking; pardon the possible confusion.
Same.
Again.
I see your point here, but you can't deny the fact that the advances in medicine, math, electronics, and many other areas which we use in our everyday life right now are not advances in SOMETHING. Since they were disovered and developed by science we label them as scientific advancement.
To be sure, they certainly appear that way, but that does not negate the problem that one has to rely on seeing more examples of science ("seeing", effectively) in order to justify them. Although I might like doing that, it certainly offers no assurance as to the it's validity. For all we know, every advancement or confirmation of a theory could be the result of some manipulation of that vat-brain, or worse.
The spiritual need is exactly one of those things thee shouldn't be teaching they kids about. As I said, atheists die happy and fulfilled all the time and they haven't had problems living. Everything past that is unknown and based on beliefs. the veggies are shown to be needed by endless examples of real-life cases and biology and chemistry are going even deeper to prove it. This goes hand in hand with the above argument. We have observed that the veggies are good, but we have yet to observe that spiritual wellbeing does anything at all, it's just a belief which is what I'm opposed to being taught.
I see what you're saying, but that would depend on what the parent thinks has been observed or proven (notwithstanding), and many are completely assured (justifiably or not) of what they believe spiritually.
Sadly you are right, they do think it's good and this is where the problems arise. Maybe it's just me, but I call that bad parenting. I'd want my chldren to have opinions other than mine, to come to their conclusions of their own accord. If they are different than mine great, if they are the same, even better ;) Oh yeah, much better XD. Just outright conforming our children to resemble us leads to very little, or none at all, human progress. If we're all the same we end up thinking the same and nothing new will come out of it.
I think this would hinge upon the correctness (is that a word?) of the above paragraph; I would posit that the consequences of that idead would mean we shouldn't teach our children anything, lest we be hindering progress. However, teaching them what we know and think can also foster progress and advancement, as is evident in technology and the like.
That's what I'm saying, would god really value someone who was manipulated by his parents into following him as much as a person who chose to follow god eventhough they were given so many other options? I have no idea how he thinks but if it were me those people who started to believe past the age of 13 would seem a lot more worthwhile of my blessings than those just following blindly what their parents told them to believe.
And that's probably true; he probably would like someone who was able to believe in him afer having been exposed to otheror no religious ideas. However, it is made clear in Christianity that believing in him is first and foremost the most important thing, and thus whatever blessing a person may receive for having gone through much would be supplanted by the necessity of them not going to hell.
Most people I've met haven't at all. It's astounding the number of people I've met who keep thinking they believe in god and after a little talk I realize they only believe in what their parents/priests taught them, not in god himself.
Yeah, I'll agree with that; I too have met a lot of Christians who have put next to no thought of why the believe.
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