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Sansui on 18 September 2008
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tokilamockingbrd said:
akuma587 said:
tokilamockingbrd said:
I would guess Barack is hoping that the economy keeps getting worse. It seems to be his "winning" message.

There are still what 48 days left, and the debates. Obama's ties with Freddie and Fannie are just now coming to light, and most of these polls were taken from Sunday-Tuesday, when the crash happened and all. Also for Obama to win he will need a 2-3 point lead. He is doing well with younger voters, but they do not turn out as well as the old fogies mccain has locked in. Another thing these polls were taken around the time or before it was made public the hack job that CBS did on Palin's interview. So we shall see. I expect the momentum to shift back to McCain then back to Obama several times before election day. It looks like whoever has the mo going at that time may win.

Remember Obama is a poor debater. He got crushed by Hilary, so you cannot count on one side or the other now. Also Palin is pretty quick on her feet, and she is affable, so even if Biden debates better, if she is "likable" she will hold her own. Most people in America like Palin, I think it was 40% Favorible, 30% unfav (which is higher than Obama and Binem),

Right now people are in Panic mode about the economy so do not count your chickens before they hatch.

You are just plain stupid if you think Obama had any influence whatsoever in the government bailing out Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac.

You are also assuming that the polls accurately reflect the electorate, which is not necessarily true because they can only legally call land lines.  Many young and even 30 year-old people have ditched their land line.  My mom is 48 and she got rid of hers.  This is a flaw that pretty much no poll can overcome as they tend to skew towards older people in this day and age.

 

Obama had no connection to bailing out Fannie and Freddie. I am saying is part of the reason they needed to be bailed out. Him and all of the other People in Congress who were lobbied to leave them alone. It was not an Obama thing, it is a washington thing. McCain tried to point this out in 05, but Congress including Obama made no move. Chris Dodd the person in charge of the oversight of F & F amd was given the most campaign contributions, isn't that ironic? Guess who was no. 2... Barack Obama.

Now John McCain DID recieve some money for his campaign from F & F, but it was all individials, and from not the company itself. And it ammounted to about 1/8 of what Barack recieved (in only a faction of the time, the data is totals from 1989 to present). These are all facts. You cannot argue them. What you can argue is the motive behind the cash Obama recieved, but not the fact he was the #2 recipient. Also, JM is on the Congression record slamming F & F in 05, you cannot argue with any reason that McCain did not make an attempt to stop the corruption that led to the collapse of the housing market. If I was BO I would try to not mention F & F or the loan crisis because it will blow up in his face... he should lead the disscussion other place... Like saying for 50,000th time that McCain is Bush's bitch. That may work, but it is too soon to tell.

 

lol... somebody's been watching Fox news.  I enjoy tuning in from time to time just for the giggles, but seriously man, it will rot your brains if you watch too long.

As far as Fannie and Freddie, neither campaign is clean. 

"More: "Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, was president of the Homeownership Alliance, which advocates the expansion of homeownership through low-interest mortgages funded by Fannie and Freddie. Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., who is heading McCain's vice presidential vetting panel, was a lobbyist for Fannie Mae. Mark Buse, a longtime McCain aide, lobbied for Freddie Mac before returning to McCain's Senate staff."

Moreover: "Obama also has ties to the firms. James A. Johnson, the former head of his vice presidential vetting panel, was a chief executive of Fannie Mae, as was Franklin D. Raines, who said this week that he has been consulting with the campaign on housing issues. Maria Echaveste, a top Clinton White House official whose husband, Christopher Edley Jr., is a close Obama friend and adviser, has lobbied for Freddie Mac, and former commerce secretary William M. Daley, a top Obama backer, was an in-house lobbyist."

McCain co-sponsored a bill in 2005 to impose new oversite on F&F, Obama introduced his own bill in 2006 to stop abusive lending.  Both campaigns have money ties and lobbyist ties to this entire mess.  Pretty much everyone in politics do.  Both presidential candidates also proposed reform, and both were shot down.