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Kasz216 on 13 September 2008
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akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:

No there really wasn't.  A very small part of the army were hardline bathists.  The rest were in the army beause it was basically the only way to make any money.  That was a big part of the insurgency early on.  Just angry out of work people.

If they would of been kept on the payroll rather then skyrocketing unemployment the whole thing would of ran more smoothly.  We probably would of been out already since they would of already had some decent well trained troops that could of faught the insurgents... that would be short on well trained troops.

 

Valid point that actually has fleshed out logic behind it, so I am willing to accept it. 

I think the deeper problem lies in the U.S. military's cavalier attitude towards the rights of foreign nations and their citizens in addition to sharing power with them.  Disbanding the Iraqi army as well as the disputes with and condescending attitude towards the current Iraqi security forces are great examples.

It has gotten a bit better recently, but the recent debate while renewing the U.S. standing forces agreement with the Iraqi government is a perfect example of how it has not gone away, as we were very unwilling to give them any of the concessions they asked for.

 

To me it's the opposite.  Obama is the one being condescending.  His position is that we aren't out of Iraq because Iraq is procrastinating because we don't have a pull out date.  It wasn't condescending the Iraqi security forces either.  They just weren't ready becaush Bush stupidly disbanded the army.  They tried many times to hand over stuff to the security forces but it didn't work because they had to train these people longer then they expected.  They failed constantly at what they were supposed to do... and why not they were fighting people who had been in the army for a long time.

There is something you miss too... a majority of Iraqi's were for the US invading before the invasion.  It was just Bush's complete disaster of an invasion that caused the problem.

I saw a fun documentry on that once about an Iraqi guy who goes around asking people why the US invaded Iraq.  It was pretty biased but even he admitted most Iraqis thought the US invasion would be a good thing.  It's funny to see some people who have no clue why they invaded though, some people have some silly answers.

It's just Bush's idocy in only protecting things that were important to US interests during the invasion is what screwed everything up and made the Iraqi's standard of living decrease instead of increase.   Had there been a better person in control the Rumsfeld Iraq would of been in great shape... and the whole "Greeted as liberators" thing would of lasted more then the week or so it lasted.