The big problem with Obama's economic plan.

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TheRealMafoo said:

akuma587 said:

And people completely ignore that some of the services that the government would provide if people were taxed that much (such as healthcare), people wouldn't have to pay for out of their pocket, so the taxes they pay would be offset in their disposable income.

 

name one service the government provides that's cheaper then the private sector.... one.

Everything the government pays for, you and I pay for. If the people don't pay for it out of there pockets, where is the money coming from? it doesn't come out of thin air.

 

   We pay a boatload for health care and its complete crap.  We pay more then any nation and the care is vastly inferior to anywhere else in the world.  I sprained my ankle badly while on vacation in Britian and I recieved better care free of charge (and I'm a US citizen) then I ever have in the states.  In the states I went to the emergency room with a bad kidney stone and fought the insurance company for months to get ANY coverage. 

 

I got bills and crap from the hospital for service at 3x the rate the insurance was billed for (nearly 10k for a 4 hour visit where 3 of the hours were spent in the waiting room) for over a year after.  If you aren't insured in this country you get billled for 4x the ammount insurance is billed for and its perfectly legal.

 

  The health insurance industry in this nation is a sick joke, and worst of all the joke is on us.

 

   For other things the govt does well/better then the private sector the mail, retirement plans (since social security is guaranteed and company retirement plans are raided over and over by greedy corporations that shortchange their workers while providing excessive CEO pay), infastructure (we have private roads in california, if you want to use them for 10 miles it costs 5 dollars each way, Ill take the public roads thank you very much) college education (most of the top schools in the world are American public universities) and, when Republicans aren't in office, scientific research (since govt funded research can be into things that are not immedietly geared to profit like the human genome project or the large hadron colider which may very well show us how the universe began).  There are a lot of things the government does well and a lot of things private industry does very very badly. 

 

   Talking about taxes, I know 15% is far too low on capital gains tax.  Billionaires who make most of their money on investment income (the vast majority of the super rich pay capital gains not income tax) pay 15% which is less then the tax rate people making under 30k are paying.