I would like someone to explain to me when "life begins"

[bardicverse]

NJ5 said:

bardicverse said:

Its better worded that way. When we start throwing words like "magically" and other sorts of words that relate to fantasy realms, the comment becomes jagged. A lot of things occur before consciousness. Remember unconscious people (ie. coma) are still very much alive, no? Body parts are formed, the nucleus center of the brain is formed, but it is not conscious of itself or its surroundings. It does not quite know what it is, or where it is. You might define it as a subconscious state, much like a deep sleep in the REM stages. We could very easily be in danger in the conscious world, but completely unconscious to the fact as we dream about clowns with sharp teeth or being stuck in the next Ubisoft Petz game. (I'll take the prior to the latter!)

In regards to the overall pro-life/pro-choice, I think that either way is unfortunate. I feel that destroying a life because of reasons other than rape is bad, but bringing a child into the world and abusing/mistreating it is bad also. I also believe that children are the most terminal STD known to mankind =D

 

I wrote "magically" because there was no explanation at all of how this "spirit" thing could exist before consciousness.

BTW, I'm talking about consciousness in a quite broad way, subconscious included. That's why I said that it's hard to define the moment when consciousness begins, and that it's easier to point at some cases where it can't exist (for example, when no brain activity is present). Further advances in scientific knowledge could tell us even more about the pre-requisites for consciousness.

 

The best way for me to define a spirit without going all religious is this - disembodied consciousness. Personally i hate talking religion in any of these aspects where we are painting things in black and white, because it doesnt fit. I can say that in a physical realm, Ive observed spirits (and not the alcoholic kind) and can vouch that these are not things of an imaginary nature nor realm. These things exist without a solid state, much like gas particles in the air. Explaining it in a full science-form logic is difficult without sounding like a madman =)