"New Banjo Kazooie was originally a platformer" WTF!!???

[Onyxmeth]

wfz said:

Onyxmeth said:

wfz said:

Onyxmeth said:

On the other hand, Donkey Kong Country was the force that allowed Nintendo to venture past the Sega Genesis completely and the series helped keep Nintendo relevant until the N64 released. It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all.

 

Those are some nicely picked out examples, and I hardly believe that this allows us to get anywhere near an answer. The amount of information we need to know before drawing a conclusion about these two companies together is a lot more than just these examples.  Of course, you can always take the easy way like you have done and draw your conclusion out of a few nicely chosen examples. Not what I'd expect from a mod though, to be honest.

 

Anyways, I loved SF Adventures. =P

 

They were the only relevant examples available. Do you have counters to them? I never said it gives anyone an answer, I was simply answering a very bold statement made by a member stating that Miyamoto was responsible for Rare's success and without him they are shit. These finely chosen examples were pasted to counter that statement, nothing more. What conslusion did I draw for myself, that it looks like Miyamoto didn't play much of a hand in Rare's games? Find me something that says he did in a positive way.

What about what I said wasn't mod-like though? Was it breaking forum rules? Should I stay in my ivory tower and let the little people fight the battles on the ground? I think you're taking my title a bit too seriously.

 

 

The quoting got a little long so I just kept the part where you drew your conclusion. You did show that with those examples, Miyamoto didn't appear to be helping Rare much, but we also didn't dive very deep into those games. Was there nothing he did at all to help? That's fine if true, but it doesn't say anything about that. You said: " It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all," yet your post hardly proves that. What you were proving was that Miyamoto didn't help out with those games, but that doesn't mean at all that Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped out Rare. That's the problem with your conclusion.

The reason why I was nagging on you is because regular users tend to look up to mods, and it's commonly thought of around the internet that mods are supposed to set good examples for other users to follow. Picking out those few cases to prove that Miyamoto didn't help Rare with those games is fine, but trying to draw a conclusion that Nintendo didn't help Rare as much as Rare helped Nintendo and implying as far that Nintendo even needed Rare to stay "relevent" is obsurd.

Donkey Kong Country was a turning point in Nintendo finally beating Sega wholeheartedly in sales. The two sequels kept the SNES alive and kicking while the N64 was being worked on. It created a good branching effect going into their next console so they didn't feel that gap the GC felt in anticipation of the Wii. That is what I meant with Rare keeping the SNES relevant. Looking back over, I said Nintendo though. My mistake. I meant the SNES.

Regarding the article itself, it doesn't mention anything Miyamoto did other than what I quoted. If there is more content available on the net, I'm open to change my stance. However, this article was probably written with the Stamper Brothers giving their accounts of the events of their history and is obviously taken from their side. There is no known Miyamoto/Nintendo side, so it's all we have to go on. They are still developing for Nintendo though, so I don't see any reason why they have a need to make false claims.

Regarding my final paragraph, it's not meant to be a conclusion based on the quotes. Sorry if it's written to look that way. The quotes were to look at the other side of "Miyamoto was the golden touch with Rare", which is completely unfounded BTW, and show something more concrete, that is available to the public. The last paragraph was to simply point out that based on the success of Donkey Kong Country and what it did for Nintendo, one can see that it's possible Rare was more of a golden touch for Nintendo than Nintendo being a golden touch for Rare. Simple as that. They were two different conclusions I was drawing from two different parts of the same article.