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Sansui on 08 September 2008
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Kasz216 said:
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MrBubbles said:
its a good thing that this "global warming" is just a socialist plot so we dont have to worry about that.


I wouldnt' say global warming is a socialist plot.  Just the fact that it's man-made is a plot to make money and such.

I mean... this article pretty much agrees with that.

The biggest man made causes of CO2 are infact controlled natural causes.  Animals and Forest Fires.

How many animals out there are non controlled by humans vs farming animals?  How many Forest Fires start naturally?

etc.

 

The man made effect on global warming is being overexagerrated for monetary gain.

 

Who's monetary gain?  What groups or people benefit from global warming?  (Just curious, not arguing)

 

1)Al Gore and other carbon credit pioneers.

He owns a completely unregulated "Carbon Credit" buisness where people pay him for their guilt on carbon credits.

There are tons of people like him with "Carbon Credit" buisnesses where people pay... and the money really just mostly goes in these peoples pockets.

 

2) Climate Scientists.  You get a lot more money for your 6-8 years in colege grants and payment wise if you support global warming then if you didn't.  If Global warming suddenly didn't exist at all or wasn't man made... a lot of climate scientists would be out of work... as measureing human carbon emmissions would be pointless... and it's almost impossible to measure the total world wide carbon rates.

They use Climate models and computer simulations to get there results.  Which is a problem... since we don't really know how much natural CO2 the earth gives off... making any computer simulation on this... really silly.  Since... if you have an incomplete model like that... the % causes are just going to be higher.

3) The media.  Man Made Global warming is a great media draw.  Everybody covered the UN global warming report. 

Pretty much nobody covered the fact that a large group of scientists quit the project do to "Data manipulation and exagerration of facts."

 

4) Oil Companies.   Sounds weird... but nobody has researched more in alternative energy then these guys... and this alternative energy will be stuff that they control.  No longer will they have to worry about their energy supply being disrupted by socialist dictators in South America or wars in the unstable Middle east.  They won't have to pay anyone but themselves.

Seriously being an Oil company now is dangerous... Iraq is considered relativly safe as far as oil reserves go compared to places like Venuzela.  They're ready to move into solar, wind power and others. 

People argue they aren't working hard enough on alternative fuels... but i mean honestly.  Plug in cars already exist.  They are the cars of the future most likely.  Get clean electricity and you don't need clean fuels.  That's what the oil companies are putting all their money into, Solar, Geothermal... etc.  Renewable electricity sources.

In the future Gas stations might be places where you just plug your car in and recharge it.

5) Poor countries dictators.  The UN's main solution to global warming is to set up a "Carbon Credit" system where everybody gets a certain number of carbon credits... and if a country is going to go over.  Like say China.  They could pay billions of dollars to another country not using their credits to transfer them.

Like say... Zimbabwe. 

This gives poor countries ruled by dictators further incentive to keep their people in the dark ages because the less carbon emissions they let off... the more money they get to pocket from rich 1st world nations.

 

6) Rich countries.  If everyone was industrilized and "modern" there wouldn't be enough resources around of everyone to live a "modern" life.  Not even enough energy yet. Seriously if you take a detailed "Global Footprint" you'll see that it's basically impossible for everyone to live even a poor modern life with world population as it is.... and rising.

So Global Warming effectivly keeps some nations poor, while working hard to come up with renewable energies so that we aren't hit as hard in "needs" when countries modernize.

Though that doesn't fix it all... since modernization is helping to cause the global food crisis.

So wait, are you arguing that global warming is a helpful conspiracy that is expanding innovation and revitalizing energy businesses?  Or are you just pointing out that you feel it IS just a conspiracy, and also just pointing out the beneficial side effects?

 

I believe it's a manmade global warming is beneficial conspiracy... however i'm also against lieing to the mass public just to get things done.  Call me an idealist.  I think it's a slippery slope when you start lieing to people to get things done.

Also, i think that while mostly beneficial there are some things that are beneficial to some, and harmful to others.  Like Carbon Credits which have so far been a scam and the UN plan which will basically pay corrupt governments to keep there people in the third world. (Assuming any nation actually listens to them.)

Also that we may not be researching enough to stop natural global warming.

Fair enough.  A lot of people, including myself, include livestock as a manmade source of global warming.  Not a 'natural source' as Mr. Bubbles claimed. 

And you are correct that there are other areas of research that are being underfunded.  But you know the only reason most people 'care' anyway these days is because it's finally hitting them in the wallet.  "Clean" cars and clean electricity motivate people when they realize it will be cheaper in the future and have a bonus effect of being friendlier to the environment.  Not many people care that the Big Mac they just ate may or may not have contributed more greenhouse gas emissions than the gasoline they used to drive to BK

And this UN plan, I'm not so sure it's as horrible as all that.  Smaller countries may be able to use this trade of credits to fund clean energy infrastructure to begin with.  Then again, if not done fairly or with enough compensation, it could as you say keep them in a third world environment at the expense of their people and the gain of their corrupt political figureheads.