Sarah Palin FTW!!!

[appolose]

akuma587 said:

appolose said:

akuma587 said:

appolose said:

 

Because he's saying the Bible say it's wrong, and since Obama claims to be a Christian, he would hav to conclude likewise.

Also, the idea of us not interfering with anyone else's actions would kind of void any laws we have (not to mention, as a Christian, one is obligated to stem injustice).

That's the worst logic I have ever heard in my life.  There is a difference in believing something yourself and adopting it as a social policy.  You can personally be against abortion but allow other people the freedom to make that choice for yourself.  Many people, including myself, adopt that viewpoint.  It isn't a black and white issue.

You just pulled the relativistic rabbit out of the hat in your second comment.  I am not even going to dignify it with a response because their is no coherent logic whatsoever to the statement.

 

Only, the government has.  You know how the First Amendment allows the free right of religious practice, yes?  But you'll notice that right isn't extended to human-sacrificing religions, no matter how sincere their adherents may be.  Of course we force our values onto others.  Again, that is what law does, does it not?  Furthermore, it is his personal belief to put a stop to such things like that, to interfere, as it were, with other people's actions; he believes for himself that it should be stopped.  Notice how both statements can be compatible.

Also, if you thought, for example, that your next door neighboor was about to back over a kid in the driveway, wouldn't you try to stop him in just about anyway, even if he believed there was no kid of which he might back over (poor example, but you get the idea).  If so, then you must conclude that one can indeed force your beliefs onto someone else.

How is my first statement in anway illogical? This is the argument: A.  To be a Christian, one must agree with all the Bible.  B.  Obama disagrees with the Bible.  C.  Therefore, Obama is not a Christian.  That completely follows (I'm not saying the premises are necessarily true, though, just that it would follow).

 

There is a consensus about murdering people, about stealing things, and about attacking other people.  No one is debating the issue.  Those things are illegal because over 95% of the country believes they should be illegal.

Here is a poll on abortion taken a few days ago for comparison:

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?

Pro-Choice      Pro-Life        Unsure about terms          Neither/Unsure

53%                   44%         2%                                     2%

A majority of the country thinks abortion should be legal. 

Where in the Bible does it say that aborting a child is murder?  I am not saying the Bible condones abortion, but there is a legitimate debate over when a fetus is actually alive.

I can easily find you a place in the Bible where it will tell you that judging others will make your judgment even harsher.

Please, don't compare people saying murder should be illegal to people saying abortion should be illegal or you are just ignoring the facts of how Americans actually feel.

I'm sure during the days of Catholic power, burning heretics to the death was a majority-supported idea, too. Also,  I'm sure that there are points in history where a widely held belief would be considered apalling today.  Furthermore, even if 95% says one thing, are they still not forcing their beliefs upon the 5%?  And why is that alright?  At what point does it become acceptable? 91.035?

And the Bible says murdering humans are wrong; if the unborn are indeed human, then it is, therefore, wrong.

The Bible also tells Christians to go out and tell people they are going to Hell because they are sinning, and that they should stop sinning, which is a "judgement".  In the case of the verse(s) you are referring to, the meaning of the word must be different than identifying and prohibiting wrongdoing.