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Sansui on 02 September 2008
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Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

The problem is... Liberals aren't like that in the US.  It may be different in the UK.  However...

Liberals are for curbing a lot of freedoms as well.

Gun Control, TV Control, taking away decision making choices from parents, etc.

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In America, the term Conservative and Liberal are political push-button names that dont mean exactly what they should.

The free market is liberal, no gun control is liberal, and so forth.  I'm sure you've heard the term liberal economies, which means right-wing free markets.  Likewise, a controlled market and gun control is a authoritarion/conservative standpoint.

Essentially, both liberals and conservative have characteristics of each other but arrive at different conclusions for where people should have freedoms and where they shouldnt.  It seems like conservatives want a liberal economy and a authoritarian society while liberals want an authoritarian economy and a liberal society.  I guess everyone wants some freedom and some control in their lives.

Which is why they both suck.

Me i'm for the Teddy Roosevelt doctrine.  Stay the hell out of everyones lives and only interfere in buisnesses when trustbusting/stopping them from outright lieing.

Though that's also why i'm voting for McCain.  Most likely to come through on that.

None of the social issues are ever going to change.  Sure i'd like gay marriage to be legal... but like 70%+ of the country is against it.

The social issues won't change cause the parties don't want them too... they'e too big wedge issues.

I mean.... Obama is against gay marriage.... Kerry is against gay marriage.... but Kerry lost a lot of votes because he wasn't "against it enough."

 

Excuse me? None of the social issues are ever going to change?  Is that why blacks and women have the right to vote, and segregation is no more?

Social issues change.  Just more slowly and with a lot more tears and effort and bickering than economic issues.  The reason I vote liberal now is because of the conservatives that try to push their values on the rest of us, and decide what we can and can't do.  Manus totally hit the nail on the head....

I would probably vote republican if religious values didn't come so staunchly entrenched in the Republican ticket.  I'm pro-gun, and pro-freedom-to-do-whatever-the-hell-you-want, but living in an area so thickly infested with religious conservatives trying to tell me and my family how to live our lives, I just can't fathom voting for any republican any more. 

I worked for a tech company here that had two born again christians as pres and vp.  My family is catholic, and I'm the kinda casual catholic that goes to church pretty much Christmas and Easter.  I get disappointed looks from the members of the congregation that know me, but for the most part the church doesn't give any of us shit for how we lead our lives.  These born agains kept trying to 'disciple' me constantly and get me to go to their super church.  Two weeks after I politely requested they not speak to me about 'discipling', I was fired.  I suppose I could have gotten a lawyer and fought about it, but I got a better job immediately after making more money and not working for douchebags... so it was more or less a blessing in disguise.

I've had the occasional 'liberal' debate me about gun control and why I'm pro gun, but at the end of the debate, they're generally willing to get over it and be pals and drink a beer and talk about sports.  Not so the religious conservatives.  If you don't agree with them, you're wrong, and you're going to hell, and they will tell you that over and over.