Stromprophet on 15 January 2007
sharky said:
Nope, MS airfreighted it's launch too. I can find that interview (think it was with Bach) too.
Like I said, it's standard operating procedure for launches. They go to boat once stock is on store shelves, because it's less expensive.
And it's a commentary on you that you have a problem with MS shipped numbers (why?, hmm, maybe because of the same NPD data you dont believe in the case of PS3? Now wouldn't that be ridiculous) but not Sony shipped.
Nintendo can "dispute" the numbers all they want and you can choose to believe what company you want based on fanboy allegiances, but NPD is the realest data we have. It cover 60% of the market outright and estimates the rest. And you believing it's wrong wont change the fact there are far less Wii's and PS3's out there than people thought.
Really the whole reason for the Wii debacle is Pachters 1.3 million estimate that came out. Pachter has been wrong by predicting too high 360 sales in the past a lot too, but nobody wanted to hang him after that. He said 360 would sell 750k in Nov and 1.5m in Dec IIRC too. Didn't happen.
So basically people want to believe an basic estimate from a often-wrong analyst over the hard data. That's pretty backwards.
Do you think NPD is wrong with high DS sales too? Funny people seem to accept the NPD's word just fine for that. It's good news from NPD for Nintendo so that must be true for some people, I guess.
Another thing is software sales actually support this. I figure if hardware sales are way off it should show up in the software right? Well if anything, 360 software sells like gangbusters, while other than Zelda, Wii and PS3 software did pretty damn bad. I mean Resistance sold like, 70k copies in Nov I think. Similarly poor numbers from Dec AFAIK. That right there should be a hint there not a ton of uncounted PS3's in consumer hands. Now if you had, 600k of Resistance sold by NPD or something, you might have a argument, because it's unlikely for a non-Zelda-wii game to have a 90% attach rate. And if you had that, you'd have the publisher crowing about it themselves with shipped numbers, NPD wouldn't even be needed. I haven't heard a peep from the Resistance guys..
Another thing is just common sense. If Nintendo shipped 1.3 million Wii's, they shouldn't have been so damn scarce all month. Sure, they still would have been scarce, but it doesn't seem like they would have been THAT scarce. Once you look at the NPD numbers, suddenly all the Wii shortages make more sense. NPD backs up anecdotal evidence in this case.
It doesn't prove anything but it does support the evidence.
You're a moron. Point to one sentence where I disagreed with NPD numbers. Or pointed towards a particular system. I happen to support all the systems available.
I never said "Nintendo is right, NPD must be wrong." You are looking at words and twisting them to what you want to respond to.
In fact, I am one of the people that pointed out after NPD announced it was apparent Nintendo didn't get as many shipped as most people thought they did.
Where did I ever say "I don't believe NPD data for PS3" nowhere, it is exactly what it is. I don't know what to expect for January data for PS3 at all. I have an idea, I think it should be around 300k. Why I disagree with the shipped number on Microsoft is because it's so much higher than any number NPD could possibly support. PS3 shipped 1 million, sold 700k. But 10.4 million and the only viable numbers support a range from as low as 8.2 to as high as possibly 9.2 million?
Resistance isn't selling like gang busters, but it's selling well enough for a console that just launched. If you go back to the 360 launch COD2 was the best selling game, but it didn't exactly bring down the house.
Lastly, if 360s were coming by plane, where was all the sporadic evidence of that? They were only available for a fews days in December on 1 shipment. If they were doing what they could by plane their would have been random shipments available, and there never was.
360 GEARS OF WAR - MICROSOFT 815.7 K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR - ACTIVISION 805.2 K
PS2 MADDEN NFL 07 - ELECTRONIC ARTS 737.1 K
GCN LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS - NINTENDO 532.9 K
WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS - NINTENDO 519.2 K
PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2007 - THQ 484.5 K
NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS - NINTENDO 427.5 K
360 CALL OF DUTY 3 - ACTIVISION 410.8 K
NDS YOSHI'S ISLAND 2 - NINTENDO 407.2 K
PS2 CALL OF DUTY 3 - ACTIVISION 365.3 K
Yeah. PS3 is not even on this list, which I would expect, same for the Wii. 360 has a very good title out for Christmas. Which I have played, and it's a good game. They will probably also have a big January with Lost Planet cause I understand that's selling well.
What I find funny is you think I'm arguing against NPD, which couldn't be further from the truth.
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