ckmlb said:
1) When you set a certain amount of calories you want to burn in a given work out does that make it a game? If you are doing certain yoga routines as instructed by Wii Fit is that a game? It's the same as doing exercise according to a taped instructor or something. In most of the activities I've seen it sets goals which you can either acheive or fail and is dependent on some form of skill, this is what to me makes them games. If in some routines you are just following on screen indicators and not being challenged then I'd say they could be considered the equivalent of a work out video but we wont know if this is the case with Yoga etc. until the game comes out. Most of the footage that's been shown so far features fail/pass scenario's and I think it would be fair to judge the game by the majority of it's content. 2) You are getting the cues from the game but that isn't necessary to the game. You can do the same thing if someone just instructed you where to step or some kind of other audio or visual thing told you what to do next. It's like being instructed on how to carry out steps. It's a game but not a video game. It's a game with a software that improves the experience not is the experience. I think you're reaching here, somebody could tell you to press left or right on the control pad instead of playing a game but it sure as hell wouldn't be fun just as having somebody shouting out where to put your feet wouldn't be. I think you're concluding that just because somebody dancing and somebody playing DDR looks similiar that they are the same. I see them as completely different, one is all about precision, adherence to goals and concentration whereas the other is something most people do in a club to approach women or let loose. I can see a person being interested in one but not the other which indicates they must be significantly different. 3) Waving a wiimote and having your motion mimiced in a game is not the same as turning a wheel and having the game car go the way you tell it to. The wheel is just a fancy controller for input, the Wii mote is a motion sensor for a game like Wii Sports meaning it is inputting your physical movements and not control inputs. Why is it a problem if it's not traditional anyway? It's a new type of game. You can't tell me you honestly think a Wheel controller and a motion sensing remote are the same thing. I see very little difference between the 2 controllers in the context of this argument, they both take physical mimiced motions and apply them to on screen actions.Hell, the wiimote is turned on it's side and effectively used as a steering wheel in Excitetruck so you could argue the wiimote is the same as a steering wheel and more. Just because the tech driving the 2 controllers are different doesn't mean that they aren't doing the same thing. 4) DDR is supposed to be 'dancing' by telling you what to do. You don't need the game to do the activities. You can just do it on your own if you wanted to. I'm not saying people would rather do it without any additional fun to the experience. The point is the DDR software might be what makes the activity fun but it isn't the focus of the activity itself. You don't need DDR or Singstar to do it, it's just better with them because there are clearer objectives and ways to measure them and score them. They are both games with set objectives and such just not video games where the main activity is occuring in the game or on the screen or what have you. I think we're going round in circles here. I don't think people are necessarily interested in dancing just because they play DDR. I'm sure a lot are just seeing it as Parappa the Rappa with feet. Changing the input device doesn't change the game play. 5) Check 4. I didn't say it doesn't add to the experience. In fact I said exactly what you are in that it adds to the experience but it isn't the core of the experience itself. The games are just a layer added to the main game which is what you are doing (singing or dancing). Also I'm positive more people actually dance without DDR and more people sing in the shower and at karaokes than when using these games but it's not easy to come up with a statistic for that :) but I'm sure you agree. DDR basically is the same as a radio and dance instructor in one and Singstar is turning your PS2 into a Karaoke machine. Neither of them are necessary to do what you are doing but they add something to the experience. This is why I consider them games but not video games. Surely you could use the exact same argument for driving games with steering wheels. Going by your definition GT is not a Videogame afterall millions if not billions of people drive everyday, GT is just adding a layer. |
| Hus said: Grow up and stop trolling. |
