| Garcian Smith said: In the post you responded to, I made a point to say, "big-budget PC exclusives." If you would have bothered actually reading the post you responded to - which you seldom seem to do, judging by your past post history - then you could have avoided crapping out the majority of the above post. As such, I'm not dismissing anything. I'm simply trying to discuss big-budget games. |
The amount of budget doesn't matter, because that does NOT measure the quality of the game. The fact that PC is an open platform and has lower costs of development means that PC games are always cheaper to make. Crysis, the most technically advanced game ever, only cost $22 millions (a far cry from the $40+ millions from Halo 3). Galactic Civilizations 2 cost less than $1 million.
| Garcian Smith said: Second, as per your list of RPGs: Eight are either MMOs or expansions to MMOs. That leaves five from your list: NWN2 and its expansion, The Witcher, Spellforce 2, and Titan Quest. Five versus three still leaves the numbers in favor of the PC, but neither lineup is very impressive: none of those games, either on the 360 or PC, scored above an 82% cumulative score on Gamerankings. |
MMO is the technology, RPG is the genre. MMORPG is, and always been a sub-genre of RPG... that is why World of Warcraft won so many "Best RPG" awards.
You see, you are using that weak argument of "I don't like XXX, so I don't include them", just like many people who use that to discredit PC gaming, like:
Xbot: "X360 has better games than PC."
PCer: "No, PC has best."
Xbot: "No way, PC has nothing if you remove MMOs, niche games, indie games, casual games, low-budget games, etc..."
PCer: "...sigh."
But let's dissect better what the PC RPG lineup is like:
There were infact only 4 MMORPGs in my list and only 1 of them was an expansion, so I don't know how the heck you found 8 MMOs in there. The MMORPGs were:
- World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (expansion)
- Lord of the Rings Online
- Age of Conan
- Tabula Rasa
There were 5 Action-RPGs. While 3 of them were expansions of Guild Wars, they were also full-fledged games that did not require the original game... infact, all 3 of them were rated better than any of the X360's JRPGs.
- Guild Wars Nightfall (standalone expansion)
- Guild Wars Factions (standalone expansion)
- Guild Wars: Eye of the North (standalone expansion)
- Titan Quest
- Dungeon Runners
There were 3 CRPGs. Mask of the Betrayer is an expansion, but it has possibly the best RPG story and narrative since Planescape: Torment.
- Neverwinter Nights 2
- Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer (expansion)
- The Witcher
And atleast, there was 1 Strategy-RPG.
- Spellforce 2: Shadow Wars
Resume of both platforms' variety:
X360:
3 JRPGs
PC:
5 ARPGs
4 MMORPGs
3 CRPGs
1 SRPG
Resume of the score of both platforms' RPGs: (Metacritic)
X360:
80+: None
70-79: 3
PC:
90+: 1
80-89: 8
70-79: 4
| Garcian Smith said: Third, so your opinion is that the PC has better racing games. That's fine. But don't try to state your opinion as fact. |
That was not my intention, sorry. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
| Garcian Smith said: Fourth, Portal, Audiosurf, and Braid are not casual games. I hate the "casual"/"hardcore" distinction as much as the next guy, but the normal definition of "casual games" is more along the lines of Bejeweled or Wii Sports. |
I was "attacking" the big-budget part you said, not the casual part. I really don't know why you'd care about a game's budget if the game itself might be great.
And for the record, Audiosurf is 100% casual, so there's a casual game that does not have a "big-budget", but is an amazing game.
| Garcian Smith said: Fifth, I forgot about Stalker, but last I checked, everyone hated BF2142 and Red Orchestra. As for 360-exclusive shooters, there aren't many, but that was never my argument in the first place. |
I never played BF2142 or Red Orchestra, but I'm thinking it was more a wave of disappointment of BF2142 changes from it's antecessor (doesn't mean it's a bad game). I never heard anything bad about Red Orchestra.
If your argument was a matter of financial success, then that's hard to figure out since many companies don't disclose their figures, but I can't think of any FPS failure on PC in recent times. Crysis did good, Stalker did amazing, Quake Wars' success allowed to double Splash Damage's team, Bioshock passed 1 million, COD4 is selling like crack.
