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Dno said:

all games were new at one point. i think you missed my point. read the OP again. I was saying that most innvation comes from sequels not new games. legend of zelda 64 was way more invative the the 1st one.

Also he answered my question which you didnt read. he stated 3 New games that are clones of other games. Wii fit is a Dance dance clone (you move off screen it moves on screen), wii sports is has controls of the acrade. its not new just its selling like crazy

Also what i am talking about is lately there have been to many articles about how sequels is killing the industry and blah blah blah but im arguing that thats not true. Mab EA sports is, but Innvative sequels like the games ive metioned before are just as new and fresh as any "new" title would be. In fact all the new titles this gen are clones of things already done before.

So in short im saying that sequels are just as needed as "new" titles and id argrue even more so.

Wii Fit a Dance Dance clone? You've misunderstood why the game is sold out everywhere, take another look at the game. As for Wii Sports being "not new just its selling like crazy," the same could be said for FF7 and Gran Turismo 3. You also say Wii Sports just copies the arcade, ignoring the fact that Halo 2 copies what was availible on computers. Those games were not innovative, they were merely polishing up on the old games.

As for all your other "innovative" sequels, they're mainly just old series making the transition to 3D. Of course it's going to be different from its 2D versions. Still, I don't know how you can say the first Mario isn't at least as innovative as Mario 64, same goes for the Zeldas. I'd go on, but it seems you ignored Killergran's list, I'd look at it again. For every "innovative" sequel you might be able to name, there are many more innovative new IP's.