Do you believe in god?

[The_vagabond7]

The problem Grey, responding to your reply to mine, is that pretty much everything you said is subjective, your opinion, your intrepretation, what you think god would logically do based on your reason.

1. Your view of perfection seems to be the odd one. My definition of perfection is from various philosophers, yours is something you made up because it would explain why god made us, and is entirely subjective and honestly not that logical.

2. A couple things here, The difference between man made science and man made religion? I can go to a doctor and get cured, I can't go to a faith healer and get cured. I can get on an airplane and fly over a mountain, no amount of faith is going to move that mountain. The difference is reality, the difference is results. People are still waiting for Jesus to come back and it's been almost 2000 years. People are still waiting for the end of times, or armegeddon or the rapture. Science actually produces tangible reality. Saying lets ignore reality because science isn't perfect, and base things on belief is like saying "Scientists haven't figured out everything, so let's turn our imagination caps on", it's not based on anything other than what you want to think. And the instant you say that you will believe things without logic, that exactly what you're saying. I will substitute empirical reality with my imagination.

Further more, I'm not just making up my own science because I disagree with some parts of quantum mechanics, and then claiming what is true based on what I think makes sense.

that doesn't answer anything. You're still just saying "this is what I think. And everything else is wrong". What shows that The abrahamic God is really god other than because he says so? What makes jesus the way the truth and the life other than because he claims to be? What Makes them superior to Mars, Zeus, Vishnu or any other pantheon of gods that claimed or still claim to be god? Muslims don't believe that jesus was the messiah, neither do the jews, what makes them wrong and you right? What do you have that verifies christianity that they don't have to verify their wiccan beliefs or any other religion? A desire to believe, or a feeling in your heart is not evidence. And since you openly state that the bible is written by men and largely faulty, you don't have alot to go on. The Japanese prior to getting nuked thought that their ruler was the physical embodiment of god, who's to say a bunch of uneducated, superstitious people of old couldn't be mistaken about Jesus? Who's to say the ten commandments are from god and not from Moses or a collection of elders, other than the bible which was written by those same people? Because it's good advice? Hell, anne landers gives good advice, doesn't mean she's divine.

All you've done is re-intrepret the bible to weed out the parts that you personally don't think make sense, and then declare yourself the victor. It's entirely subjective, and It doesn't make any sense at all. It's just believing something for the hell of it.