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The Ghost of RubangB said:

TheRealMafoo said:
I am not really a fan of socialism or communism, so I will vote McCain.

Anyone who uses the term "economic justice", needs to never lead this country.

A purely free market is not foolproof. It leads to monopolies and exploiting the working class. People fought and died for our rights to 8 hour shifts, 5 day workweeks, and age limits on when they can cram us all into factories. I'd call each one of those anti-free-market regulations "economic justice." I'd also call them a basic human rights issue.

Remember the Depression? We've been socialist ever since. It only takes one big market crash to scare people into providing the safety blanket for the poor. It's been there ever since. If you think America is 100% capitalist, you're wrong. We're socialist as hell. And with the cost of food going up and the health value of food going down, and the cost of energy going up, and the population going up, all at the same time, more capitalism isn't going to help anybody. If anything we'll turn to more socialism to minimize the effects on the hungry.

I think a country's only as good as how it takes care of its hungriest citizen. You ever seen a bum frozen to death in the street? Do you blame welfare or capitalism?

 

 

Kasz216 said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:
That was a silly link.

Obama is for raising the minimum wage and for net neutrality.
McCain is against both.

That's just nuts.

How can anybody oppose raising the minimum wage? If inflation goes up and the cost of living goes up, and wages DON'T go up... more people fall under the poverty line. People need 2 or 3 jobs to pay rent. That's total bullshit. I've been there before. If I wasn't getting tips at my job, I wouldn't have been able to afford my cheap-as-fuck ghetto apartment.



I'm voting Obama. I'm also against the war in Iraq, considering we didn't even finish the fucking job in Afghanistan, and now we're considering starting a 3rd invasion in Iran? Iran is a serious issue in our election? And I'm for universal health care and I support all abortions, even after the whiny fuckers are born.

You really need to re-read Obama's positions.

He will put troops back in Iraq if Iraq can't handle it. He's also promised to be very hard on Iran and invade them if nessisary.

As for Minimium Wage. The problem with that is that it increases inflation, as when the workers wages go up, companies raise the price of products in retaliation.

Furthmore the smaller mom and pops that hire minmium wage workers because they can't afford it take a big hit and go out of buisness.

It's better to raise minium wage when the economy is booming and companies are less likely to adjust prices to make back profits or do so on a smaller scale.

To do it when the economy is bad just raises inflation... and puts a lot of people who work for small chains out of buisness helping bigger corporations secure higher market shares and be able to screw people more.

The abortion issue is troubling though.

However compared to the global food crisis and that Obama's current stances are just going to make food everywhere a LOT more expensive, he's likely going to cost lower and middleclass people money, not save them. Besides McCain is promising about $2000 more per middle class worker in tax cuts then Obama.

Word up. Good looking out. I'll definitely do a lot more research by November. Neither of the candidates are really liberal enough for me anyway. I wanted Kucinich. :( If Obama really starts to piss me off, I'm not against going 3rd party.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping Obama's acting moderate to get swing votes (like everybody ever) and after he's elected he'll be some sort of super-liberal monster.

In the past threads where we all took that quiz about our political beliefs, I think I was the most liberal person on VGC. I was way past Gandhi, and almost off the chart. Teehee.

Yeah... I was supporting Obama the whole primaries. Then once he got elected at i set down and looked at the policies i realized i'd of been happier if Hilarly Clinton was elected.

I'm hoping Obama won't be too bad a president. Things in Iraq are going REALLY well right now to the point of where by the time Obama becomes president a phased Withdrawl is a good idea. Which is ironic since his campaign's main focus is to make Iraq look like it's going poorly still... he might be worse for the third world though... and may or may not screw up the economy, but hopefully he brings in some actual experts on it.

Which amusingly the third world was the one thing Bush got right. Africa sees Bush as the US' best president in a long time (despite his backwords abstinancy programs).  Bush gave and pushed more money to Africa and other poor countries then any other president.