sharky on 12 January 2007
Stromprophet said:
sharky said:
Stromprophet said:
Again, this is all anecdotal, I know several people in Florida, New York, Cali, etc. That claim they can't find any PS3s.
I also know here in Indiana you can find a Wii and it's not hard at all. Just like PS3 in my town, not hard to find.
And PS3 ramped a high volume of production already. 1 million units is more than what "360 had available for all of November, December, January, and February. And by the time they hit 1 million (NPD) in March it was available on walk in.
Would you stop spreading misinformation?
MS announced they shipped 1.5m last Dec 31.
Long story short, you're comparing a Sony shipped number to a Xbox NPD number. Sony said they shipped 1m. Just as MS said they shipped 1.5m last Dec (Worldwide).
NPD, Sony has only 600+k sold right now, NOT 1m.
Please compare shipped to shipped and NPD to NPD or shut up.
Wrong. NPD last year November 2005 - 330k, December 2005 -280k. Go look it up. Now NPD is only for US. They may have "shipped" that many, but again that's different from sold.
Also NPD doesn't account for the last week of December. However, since 360 only had 2 shipments last year before January, it's not likely NPD would miss the information. Anyone who was shopping for a 360 last year (me) would know that.
PLUS THAT 1.5 million WAS WORLDWIDE FOR 360, did you forget about that? They never announced they shipped that many to the US, which is what NPD reports. NPD has reported 690k for PS3.
You can't even get these simple numbers right. 197k November + 480k for December. Jeez. Try adding. World wide Sony hasn't said what they shipped yet, just that they shipped 1 million to NA.
You're hilarious. Piece by piece, lets take apart your "statements" (which dont even make any sense as you attempt to confuse the issues from your original wrong statements)
"Wrong. NPD last year November 2005 - 330k, December 2005 -280k. Go look it up. Now NPD is only for US. They may have "shipped" that many, but again that's different from sold. "
Wrong what? I was telling you, that your stament PS3 has a million available, is comparing SHIPPED to reported SALES which is not acceptable. So no, YOU are WRONG.
I dont even know why you started the sentence with "wrong", then started talking about something that had nothing to do with my post. Like I said, nice attempt to confuse. Where did I state the Xbox didn't sell November "2005 - 330k, December 2005 -280k"? I'm well aware of the NPD and shipped numbers for all these consoles, and so are you apparantly, which makes your disingenuousness all the more glaring.
It's like if you say a dog we see is black, and I say it's brown, and you reply with "WRONG. clearly that dog is a German Sheperd". It has nothing to do with the topic.
"Also NPD doesn't account for the last week of December. However, since 360 only had 2 shipments last year before January, it's not likely NPD would miss the information. Anyone who was shopping for a 360 last year (me) would know that. "
What does this have to do with anything? Where did I say NPD does account for the last week of December? And why is it even relevant to this discussion?
Please stop injecting useless tangents into the discussion.
"PLUS THAT 1.5 million WAS WORLDWIDE FOR 360, did you forget about that? They never announced they shipped that many to the US, which is what NPD reports. NPD has reported 690k for PS3. "
Yes, I know. So what? According to NPD sales, Xbox 360 sold 607k in it's time and PS3 690k in it's time. Not a huge difference. You're the one who attempted to muddle the waters by using SHIPPED figures for PS3 (1m) versus SOLD for 360, which I told you you cant do.
"You can't even get these simple numbers right. 197k November + 480k for December. Jeez. Try adding. World wide Sony hasn't said what they shipped yet, just that they shipped 1 million to NA. "
I know that. So?
The issue was you stating PS3 has more available to date (by using a shipped number and comparing it to a sold number) than 360 had through Feb last year, which simply isn't true.
Shipped numbers include a lot of lag time. Can be as much as four to eight weeks of lag time. That is the same for ALL CONSOLES. You are trying to say PS3 has no lag, 1 million shipped= 1 million sold. However for 360 according to you, Shipped!=sold.
The PS3 has barely sold more than 360 to date by NPD. Use those numbers.
If your theory is correct, then all those PS3 sales you think occured in the last week of Dec (not true, I think NPD ends Dec 28) would just end up in January NPD (because the NPD is not skipping any days). So, youd have, according to you, at least 310,000 PS3's sold (1m-690k) before Jan even started. Which means Jan NPD for PS3 would be about 500,000 minimum. Obviously that's not going to happen, so you lose again. Notice any trends here?
Either that or you can claim, yeah Sony shipped all those but they wont all sell, therefore wont show up in Jan NPD. Which is again, bad for you because it means PS3 isn't selling. Either that, or Sony wont ship any PS3's for all January because the ones from the end of Dec (that you claim exist) would be enough. The latter scenario is clearly false.
BTW, speaking of not being able to add, I went back and added up the 360 NPD's for last Nov, Dec, Jan, and Feb, and it came to 1,017,000. Which makes your statement here clearly false:
"1 million units is more than what "360 had available for all of November, December, January, and February."
Which makes your statement here rather funny:
"You can't even get these simple numbers right"
BTW, it's pretty funn 360 sold 607k in Dec/Nov, PS3 barely more at 690k. Yet you couldn't easily get a 360 until April, and you can already easily get a PS3. Clearly, demand for PS3 is lower. That's what $600 does to you I guess.
Your only "claim" is based on comparing Sony ship PR to NPD figures. Which even if you are right (which you have no proof of, you do not know Sony's ship schedules, you do not have any proof when they shipped what, you do not have any proof NPD doesn't cover the last week in Dec (covers til Dec 28 I believe), and even if you had proof of all that and it was all true, it still doesn't matter, you still compared shipped to NPD which is wrong). And the ONLY way your shenagins even might be true is Sony would have to have a huge January NPD, which they wont. But again, it doesn't even matter if hypothetically they were true, you'd still be in the wrong.
Dont compare shipped to NPD.
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