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Domicinator on 29 July 2008
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steven787 said:
Domicinator said:
steven787 said:
megaman79 said:
Fuck business strategy, what r u, a fukn business man? And yes its so much easier to shit bag MS bcoz they stole Nintendo's prize Rare. EA another story coz at least they don't sell exclusively to one system.
Tell me where did u read this? A business blog, hmm. Dude that guys smokin some wiked shit most likely

Finally hmm.

Disclosure: I'm long ERTS and now own TTWO calls, so admittedly, I have an interest in a higher bid (especially from someone other than ERTS). But it is in no way ridiculous to conclude that TTWO could, and should, be bought for a price much higher than it's current share price (high $24) and offer price (~$25.75).

 

First off, this post is magic.  You are the man.

 

Next.  Everyone keeps arguing over market share v. profit.  MS went into business to put Sony and Nintendo out of it.  They failed.  They will continue to fail because of two reasons. 

1. Nintendo is rolling in money, not equity nor liquidity like MS, MONEY.  Cold hard cash. Green backs (en aren't green but you know what I mean).

2. Sony is happy selling the PS3 as a BluRay player.  They could lose another 3-4 billion and not even blink.  It's been part of there plan to get BluRay out there and in homes.  If they get that (which they're doing) they will hold on to the disc market which will exist for at least another 20 years.  There's not going to be another TV format so 40GB movie discs will be big enough for a while.  World wide streaming and downloading will not be viable for a long time.

BluRay has no more of a chance of lasting 20 years than DVD had.  In fact, disc media in general is going to be a thing of the past probably in the next 10 to 15 years. 

And furthermore, 1Microsoft is in business to make money.  So is Sony.  So is Nintendo.  They make money by selling things to customers before their competitors can.  It's not a personal vendetta against retard fanboys.  It's business.  Ask Sony, if they had a chance to put Microsoft out of business, don't you think they would?  Do you think that because Nintendo makes cute and cuddly Mario games that they would not devour their competition if given the chance?

Do you guys actually think ANY of these companies actually care about you?  They don't.  Developers and publishers don't either.  All they want is to make a game/console and sell it to you.  That's it.  2They're not doing it because they love you as a person or because they particularly care about your personal experience with their product.  After you shell out the money for it, they personally don't care what you think.  

3Microsoft has not failed in any way, shape, or form.  They have taken significant market share away from the top player in the console business.  Their market share combined with Nintendo's has put Sony in third place.  That may be only temporary, but I hardly call it a failure.  4All three companies have had their failures.  MS has had the hardware issues, Nintendo has had issues with their "kids and old people" image, and Sony had issues with mass appeal, pricing, and lack of software at launch.  And all three companies have a viable product out on the market.  At the end of this generation, they still will.

 

Bolded the main reasons why your post is wrong.

1&3 contradict each other. 4 is wrong, Nintendo hasn't had a loss since entering the videogame market.  2 makes no sense, I never mentioned my personal preference.

Next disc formats aren't going to die.  Why? Because retailers will not let it.  Do you think Wal Mart is going to sit by and not find a way to tempt movie studios and game companies to continue to stock shelves with discs?

VHS is still around, DVD is still around (it's only been around for 11 years, but it is not dying any time soon), Bluray is only beginning to become mass market.  DVD and Bluray will coexist quite nicely for a while.

Of course MS wants to make money.  The way MS has always made money is by killing the competition and then raising prices.  They are trying to do that with gaming and it is not working.

 

1 and 3 certainly do not contradict each other.  Microsoft or whatever studio working for Microsoft is going to make the best game they can make because they want to drum up hype and get you to buy the software.  Once they get the hype machine moving and get the momentum going, there's really no stopping it.  After that, they really don't care if you get the warm fuzzies when you play their game or not.  They care that you bought the game and opened it.  Whether or not you play it or even like it at that point is irrelavent. 

Microsoft, as a company, has a lot more money than Sony or Nintendo.  Therefore, they conduct their business much differently than either of those companies.  You can bet that if Sony or Nintendo had the cash flow that Microsoft had, they would probably be using it in a similar fashion.  (Nintendo's strategy would probably be a little different because they don't have an HD console on the market and are releasing a different type of games.)  In other words, you can't fault Microsoft for using their resources.  It's called business.  If Microsoft has the money to take mindshare/market share/attachment rate away from their competitors by paying for titles, exclusivity, DLC, or whatever, then that's what they're going to do.  They didn't become the company they are by sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.  Love them or hate them, they are a smart company.  Sony is no less shrewd or evil than Microsoft.  They just have less money to throw around and have made some marketing and PR mistakes thus far this generation.

And disc media most surely will go the way of the dodo at some point in the not so distant future.  Netflix was pushing its downloadable content well before the Xbox Live deal.  Pay Per View, DVR, Tivo, etc. have all become household names now.  You can get HD movie content on demand any time you want it without having to leave your house or your hotel room.  How long before Netflix or similar services start making deals with the big cable companies?  I don't think it's too far off.  Unless you're a hardcore movie collector (I'd venture to say that most people aren't), there is virtually no need to go to a brick and mortar store to buy movies anymore, and there's certainly no need to go to Blockbuster to rent a movie either.

I'm sorry, I'm just sick of the fanboy BS around here, and I haven't even been here that long.  But I have been a member of other gaming forums for a long time, and the fanboys are no better on those.  What I hate is the serious lack of understanding of how the business world works.  Again I will reiterate, companies are not out to make friends with you or make you feel good about yourself.  Their goal is to get you to open up your wallet and give them your money.  If you think it works any differently than that, you're either a fanboy of the worst kind, a conspiracy theorist, or an idiot.