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ChichiriMuyo said: Look, man, it doesn't matter that they are throwing money at companies making JRPGs. That's not really supporting them, Wow I never knew that giving developers money isn't supporting them. Explain that part to me again? that's just covering for the money they won't be making because they aren't putting the game on a system where it'll sell decently. JRPGs have begun to sell decently on the Xbox360 good ones will soon be million sellers. The games would get made with or without MS, and they'd sell more copies on the PS3 Stike the PS3 obviouslyor Wii. Again, that's not support, they are just paying these companies the money upfront for the sales they are going to lose by being in bed with MS. Oh so the system with the highest 3rd party sales is a losing proposition huh?Outside of Mistwalker, there's absolutely nothing to say they are supporting the genre at all, and Sony put a whole lot of support into Square back in the day that resulted in games that were actually really good instead of really average. Oh I see, so when Sony supports a company its to help them produce good games, whereas when Microsoft does it, its just to make up for supposedly poor sales??
There's absolutely nothing to say that the prices would be unchanged if the 360 didn't exist. Frankly, if MS didn't jump the gun on this gen the PS3 would very likely have launched a little later at $400, but Sony had to move before they were ready to make sure they wouldn't lose the market completely. It may have looked like a bad decision because of the way it has played out and it may look like the 360 has forced Sony to drop price, but that's really not true. Overall, MS has increased the costs to gamers, not lowered them. Not admirable at all. So how does your argument that Microsoft didn't force Sony to lower their prices support the argument that Microsoft has increased the costs for gamers? I'll give you a clue... it doesn't. Furthermore the concept of competition is pretty obvious, you take two companies - both engaged in a little price competition and voila the price comes down. Its an amazing concept.
Also, I never said they didn't make the work easier, so I don't know why you are arguing about that. What I've said is that it hasn't increased the number of games that exist. If they didn't make it so easy, they just would have gotten fewer games on their system. More games would be PC exclusive instead of PC/360. More games would have stayed PS3 exclusive instead of going multiplat. Where are the games that sismply wouldn't exist? Lets see - Easier to make games, I can make more games, wow. Its a pretty simple concept. I'll expand on that concept - easier to code, so less risk, faster product delivery so better cashflow for smaller developers/publishers, more profit so more developers can be hired they all add up. Can you name one? Condemned 2 its too niche to be profitably developed on either the PC or the Xbox360 alone. Add the two together and you have a sustainable market to develop for. You asked for one.
No, all you can do is post someone else's blogs. A blog that says that coding has always been the way it is now to some extent. And it's true, programming has always been like that. Long hours, little respect, high burn out rates. MS didn't do much to alleviate that, because they tools they use are basically the same ones that already exist for PCs. If those games weren't getting made for the 360, they'd still get made. Period. Read the quotes again. This time with comprehension please.
As I said, none of the claims you have made are well formulated. You are suggesting that things that have almost nothing to do with one another have a cause and effect relationship adn that the cause leads back to MS. I'll give you simple cause and effect if you want. If I gave you lube - it will be easier for you to jerk yourself off. If I also give you porn, it will give you more incentive to jerk yourself off. So therefore if I give you lube and porn I would expect you to jerk off more. Now replace lube with better tools and porn with money and you'll understand Microsofts relationship with software developers. If anything caused prices to be driven down this generation it's the Wii, not the 360 The Wii and the HD consoles live in different market segments. They aren't nearly as good subsitutes with the Xbox360 as the PS3 is. which has more expensive games and has spent 3 years being more expensive than any successful console has ever been. Bla and in the past Japan was hugely important but nowadays the U.K sells more of the big consoles than Japan, I think precedent doesnt apply as much as you think. If anything is causing more games to exist that wouldn't it's the Wii, because it provides a new experience and encourages developers to look in new directions. If anyone is responsible for JRPGs existing in the numbers they do now, it's Sony for helping Square become a major player in the Western market, Wow, I guess Final Fantasy 1-6 didnt exist and Nintendo had nothing to do with Square huh? not MS who is subsidizing games based on the sales that are lost when the game goes from PS3 to360.
MS hasn't done a single thing you are claiming, and your logic to back it up is essentially baseless. All your base is belong to me.
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