Sqrl said:
Rath said:
Sqrl said:
Honestly thats not even a serious position. Religion has definitely had it's role in the darker moments of man's history but just saying that all people who are religious are prone to be irrational isn't really a serious position at all and if I'm being honest borders on bigotry.
Every candidate is a person who like everyone else builds their political beliefs based on their life experience including their religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Its just something you have to factor in to your choice on election day. To be honest I wouldn't vote for someone who would ignore their own moral values and principles, thats not the kind of person I want as president.
PS - I think we actually agree on the issues you listed, I just don't think being religious forces you into a set view on those things.
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What I meant is following the bible literally often leads to irrational acts, trying to force something to be a law because it is in the bible is exactly what I do not want from any political leader because it means they are ignoring the situation today for the situation 2000 years ago.
I think that if a politician believes that homosexuality is wrong because the bible says it is wrong that they shouldn't try and enforce that belief on the wider community, they honestly do have to draw that line between personal beliefs and their actions for the community. A politician should be acting for the good of society, not to enforce their own beliefs on society.
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OK, so if someone believes homosexuality is wrong for a reason other than their religion that would be ok with you then? I'm pretty sure you would disagree with them no matter what the basis for their reasoning was.
I mean it sounds to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that what you are saying is that all other ways a person's decision can be influenced are acceptable...but if their decision was based on religion...well in that case thats just not right!
Its obvious you don't agree with the morality of many religions on these subjects (ie the ones you listed above) but I think you are just being dramatic when you say it's irrational. An irrational view is one that lacks reason and they are absolutely using reason here, we just don't agree with that line of reasoning. I hate to delve too much into the religious debate but I want to remind you that you believe there is no god and that the bible is simply a book on morals that was last valid some 2000 years ago and they believe there is a god and that the bible is his word with timeless validity. Both are beliefs and until one is proven correct neither can be legitimately given the favored title of "most rational".
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The only rational view is moral relativism and anything that is based upon subjective moral reasoning doesn't belong in the white house.
