iv'e cpmpleted it and got 635 achievement points.... problem is i really can't be assed going looking for all 200 pigeons, or finding all 30 stunt ramps ect.... the funny thing is once i completed the story mode of GTA 4 i went back to saints row and am now loving it.... i think sandbox games need cartoony graphics to work properly..... GTA Vice city is by far my fave GTA game and for me it had the right look, the right style and the 80's setting was just flawless, great humour in vice city too, somthing GTA 4 seriously lacks







