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Gamerace said:
I also don't see MoM or SMG2 selling any systems either. Metroid fans own Wiis already and if you didn't buy a Wii for SMG your sure not going to for the sequel. It's like saying Halo ODST will sell 360s.

But all in all, 17m is too optomistic unless Nintendo does a huge media push and Sony/MS do none at all.

A) Metroid and Galaxy2 aren't going to increase the levels of consoles sold, they, along with many other games during Jan-Mar, will keep Wii value up like 2008 and thus enable the sales I predicted.

B) That line of logic means that a Wii sale is at the expense of a PS360 sales and so on. If that were strictly the case then Wii would not be winning right now. While *some* people choose between them, a very large portion of Wii's sales come from those who didn't even consider a PS360. Therefore, the additional games (especially NSMBWii), color, and new lower price push them into the realm of purchasing vs contemplating.



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Soriku said:
I think you're really underestimating Mario.

That remains to be seen. "Everyone who wants to play halo/mario/insert sony exclusive here has already bought 360/wii/ps3".



Manos said:
superchunk said:

This is to you and others who doubt Wii will outsell 2008 holiday by a lot.

 

1. NO SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS

2. WSR + WiiFit+  + NSMBWii + NSMB fucking Wii.

3. PRICE CUT

4. 3RD YEAR IN MARKET

This is effectively the Wii's third year. This is the year when consoles generally peak.

1. Then how wii is selling now less than 2008 when it was supply constrained? It should sell more, right?

2. Sequels aren't system sellers. NSMB wii? I don't see that moving a lot of consoles.

3. How many times we have heard that it is not about the price... when wii was the cheapest console, many argued that price was not the selling point of wii. 50$ is not big enough cut to get a big boost for any console.

4. lolwut.... generally, that sums it up.

1. This cannot be taken as important without considering parts 2 and 3.

2. Sequels may not bring in tons of new people, but in combination they help keep value for the hardware up and that with a massive game like NSMB will cause many a system to sell.

3. Price isnt important, but value is. Hence why @ $250 Wii with far inferior specs and general features still outsells the PS360 regularly. It's value is percieved as greater to the general consumer. Well, the $250 valued consumers is about dried up for Wii based on its current feature set and games. So, not its time to hit the next level of consumers @ $200. Plus, there are tons who would buy it at $150 or so, that will be pushed to pay $200 given certain games, like NSMBWii.

4. Seriously, that's all you got. I put out a ton of evidence and sales facts for two generations and all you can say is "lolwut.... generally, that sums it up." Guess from your avatar and mannerisms I should have realized your level of thinking. So take a good look at my avatar and RESPECT MY AUTHORATAH!!!!!!



superchunk said:
Manos said:

1. Then how wii is selling now less than 2008 when it was supply constrained? It should sell more, right?

2. Sequels aren't system sellers. NSMB wii? I don't see that moving a lot of consoles.

3. How many times we have heard that it is not about the price... when wii was the cheapest console, many argued that price was not the selling point of wii. 50$ is not big enough cut to get a big boost for any console.

4. lolwut.... generally, that sums it up.

1. This cannot be taken as important without considering parts 2 and 3.

2. Sequels may not bring in tons of new people, but in combination they help keep value for the hardware up and that with a massive game like NSMB will cause many a system to sell.

3. Price isnt important, but value is. Hence why @ $250 Wii with far inferior specs and general features still outsells the PS360 regularly. It's value is percieved as greater to the general consumer. Well, the $250 valued consumers is about dried up for Wii based on its current feature set and games. So, not its time to hit the next level of consumers @ $200. Plus, there are tons who would buy it at $150 or so, that will be pushed to pay $200 given certain games, like NSMBWii.

4. Seriously, that's all you got. I put out a ton of evidence and sales facts for two generations and all you can say is "lolwut.... generally, that sums it up." Guess from your avatar and mannerisms I should have realized your level of thinking. So take a good look at my avatar and RESPECT MY AUTHORATAH!!!!!!

2. If those games aren't going to bring tons of new people, how on earth do you expect wii to sell 17 million by the end of the year?

3. That is just wishful thinking. 50$ is not that big of a deal.

4. Yes, that is all what I got. Was there something else than gross generalisation to be seen? I mean, wii hasn't been selling more than 08 this year yet you think it will because... previous consoles did that also?! lolwut.



Manos said:
superchunk said:
Manos said:

1. Then how wii is selling now less than 2008 when it was supply constrained? It should sell more, right?

2. Sequels aren't system sellers. NSMB wii? I don't see that moving a lot of consoles.

3. How many times we have heard that it is not about the price... when wii was the cheapest console, many argued that price was not the selling point of wii. 50$ is not big enough cut to get a big boost for any console.

4. lolwut.... generally, that sums it up.

1. This cannot be taken as important without considering parts 2 and 3.

2. Sequels may not bring in tons of new people, but in combination they help keep value for the hardware up and that with a massive game like NSMB will cause many a system to sell.

3. Price isnt important, but value is. Hence why @ $250 Wii with far inferior specs and general features still outsells the PS360 regularly. It's value is percieved as greater to the general consumer. Well, the $250 valued consumers is about dried up for Wii based on its current feature set and games. So, not its time to hit the next level of consumers @ $200. Plus, there are tons who would buy it at $150 or so, that will be pushed to pay $200 given certain games, like NSMBWii.

4. Seriously, that's all you got. I put out a ton of evidence and sales facts for two generations and all you can say is "lolwut.... generally, that sums it up." Guess from your avatar and mannerisms I should have realized your level of thinking. So take a good look at my avatar and RESPECT MY AUTHORATAH!!!!!!

2. If those games aren't going to bring tons of new people, how on earth do you expect wii to sell 17 million by the end of the year?

3. That is just wishful thinking. 50$ is not that big of a deal.

4. Yes, that is all what I got. Was there something else than gross generalisation to be seen? I mean, wii hasn't been selling more than 08 this year yet you think it will because... previous consoles did that also?! lolwut.

2. COMBINATIONS OF MULTIPLE GAMES, NOT INDIVIDUALLY!! That  and price cut and black Wii and ....

3. Its a whole new level of consumer base. This will be evident a couple weeks from now.

4. Its not generalization. If I brought out the sales from the two generations before that, it would be the same for NES, SNES, GEN, PS1, N64, etc. IF there were no price cut + black wii + games(NSMBWii +others) + etc, then yes, you would have a valid point. Considering parts 1,2,3 etc, then I see this year being better overall and much better during holiday.



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superchunk said:
Manos said:

2. If those games aren't going to bring tons of new people, how on earth do you expect wii to sell 17 million by the end of the year?

3. That is just wishful thinking. 50$ is not that big of a deal.

4. Yes, that is all what I got. Was there something else than gross generalisation to be seen? I mean, wii hasn't been selling more than 08 this year yet you think it will because... previous consoles did that also?! lolwut.

2. COMBINATIONS OF MULTIPLE GAMES, NOT INDIVIDUALLY!! That  and price cut and black Wii and ....

3. Its a whole new level of consumer base. This will be evident a couple weeks from now.

4. Its not generalization. If I brought out the sales from the two generations before that, it would be the same for NES, SNES, GEN, PS1, N64, etc. IF there were no price cut + black wii + games(NSMBWii +others) + etc, then yes, you would have a valid point. Considering parts 1,2,3 etc, then I see this year being better overall and much better during holiday.

Black wii? Gee.. that is starting to sound a bit desperate. Let's assume that wii sells something like 200k for the weeks before the pricecut. That leaves something like 16,6 million wii's to be sold in what, 12 weeks? That is:

1,38 million wii's per week!

How many times wii has sold more than 1 million per week lifetime?

3 times!

Now when I think of it, this has to be a joke thread. Sorry, I did not see the sarcasm before this post. :P



superchunk said:
Gamerace said:
I also don't see MoM or SMG2 selling any systems either. Metroid fans own Wiis already and if you didn't buy a Wii for SMG your sure not going to for the sequel. It's like saying Halo ODST will sell 360s.

But all in all, 17m is too optomistic unless Nintendo does a huge media push and Sony/MS do none at all.

A) Metroid and Galaxy2 aren't going to increase the levels of consoles sold, they, along with many other games during Jan-Mar, will keep Wii value up like 2008 and thus enable the sales I predicted.

B) That line of logic means that a Wii sale is at the expense of a PS360 sales and so on. If that were strictly the case then Wii would not be winning right now. While *some* people choose between them, a very large portion of Wii's sales come from those who didn't even consider a PS360. Therefore, the additional games (especially NSMBWii), color, and new lower price push them into the realm of purchasing vs contemplating.

A) But perceived value to who?  Only to Nintendo fans who already own a Wii.  Neither game has any appeal outside of the Nintendo faithful.  NSMB yes but not those two.   New major games are necessary for a system to continue to sell, but if it's only sequels coming then sales must decline.


B) I agree a large portion of Wii's sales have come from people, women especially, who would not consider PS360 BUT...  Nintendo is not offering anything this year to expand the market further, only cater to it's traditional (MoM, SMG2, NSWBW, S&P2) and already existing expanded market (WSR+, WF+, EO2).   So without any new ideas, they will continue to see declining system sales from casual/non-gamers.    Plus MS / Sony will be looking to steal away some of that market now that their prices are at a more mass market friendly range.

Iwata himself has said they need to continue to surprise or people will lose interest.   Yet we've nothing announced but sequels to existing games (Wii or DS) which is only surprising in it's lack of originality.



 

superchunk said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
How do we know for sure that either Metroid or Galaxy 2 are coming out by March? I figured it would be something like Metroid in August and Galaxy 2 in Sep-Nov next year. Did I miss an announcement or something?

Also, other than the Metroid/Galaxy confusion on my part, I agree with everything else. Maybe not 17m this Christmas. I can't predict a number... but I'll say over 14m. Records will be broken at the very least.

While I'm way too lazy to search for the articles, I am positive I've read that Galaxy 2 is essentially done, but Nintendo wanted NSBMWii this holiday and obviously they wouldn't put two Mario games out on top of each other.

THAT and:

1. Galaxy 2 and Metroid are the only big IPs Nintendo has revealed.

2. 2008 saw SSBB and Mario Kart Wii come out in a similar fashion.

I put Galaxy 2 early Feb and Metroid late March to be exact.

I thought you meant March 2011. I would be interested to see the "article" stating Galaxy 2 is basically done since I never read it.

I'm willing to bet with you that neither SMG2 or Metroid M will be released before March 2010.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

I think the Christmas predictions may be a bit high. I really think that NSMBW will work its magic after the holiday season. I think the big thing this year is that the Wii will keep good sales throughout Jan-March. I don't think this will be on the levels seen previously, but is ther game can break 10million, then I think Wii sales will see a boost for a few months.



Manos said:

Black wii? Gee.. that is starting to sound a bit desperate. Let's assume that wii sells something like 200k for the weeks before the pricecut. That leaves something like 16,6 million wii's to be sold in what, 12 weeks? That is:

1,38 million wii's per week!

How many times wii has sold more than 1 million per week lifetime?

3 times!

Now when I think of it, this has to be a joke thread. Sorry, I did not see the sarcasm before this post. :P

Black Wii, how many times have I heard people rebuying 360 or deliberately buying Elite primarily because it was black... colors do wonders.

From price cut to end of year there are 14 weeks or 1.2m average. Will every week break 1m? No. Will a few break 2m? sure. Btw, Wii has broken 1m per week a total of 4 times, not 3, 3 of which were last holiday in succession. Keep in mind this was when it was supply constrained. With no constraints and a lower price+more games to dramatically increase overall value, it will sell many weeks this holiday 1m+.