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dolemit3 on 19 August 2009
bardicverse said:
Acevil said:
Wait some people are still going on about monster hunter 3 being a bomb?

Yeah, pissed off PS3 fans who wanted it on their system. They think if they keep calling it a bomb, it will magically stop selling, in hopes that Capcom will bring it to PS3 also.

It's sort of like watching a mouse caught in a glue trap slowly tearing away at its own flesh to be free.

MH3 will be released on a PlayStation, just not the PS3.



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mibuokami on 19 August 2009
johnsobas said:
mibuokami said:
Naum said:
So MH3 is FAIL just beacuse some people on this forum thought it would sell alot more the first couple of weeks..... wow just wow... are some of you really really that sad?.

MH3 failed because it failed the publisher's expectation, not because some random and spiteful fanboy's on the internet said so. And yes Capcom was expecting bigger sale than this as they forecast 1.5 million shipment in Japan which won't happen.

So no its not sad its being realistic.

Take SE for example, they expected to Ship 5 million DQIX lifetime and have alread shipped 3 million, they're obviously banking on the popularity of the series for the initial burst and the popularity of the DS for the longetivity, and since its actually proving to be a fairly well recieved game leg wise, I can actually see the 5 million shipped being achieved. But if sales stop tomorrow, even with the monstrous sale it has already achieve, it still failed.

Depends on your definition of a failure, if DQ9 gets to 4 million and stops it's really hard to call it a failure even if SE tells me they expected 5 million.  4 million would make it the second best selling DQ ever in Japan, development costs are low on DS, and they are selling side quests.  I'm sure they're making a fortune off the game.

Obviously it made a huge profit regardless but failure in this case is a failure to measure up to expectation. I don't mean that it bombed and anyone that says so doesn't know what they're talking about but a game that falls 20% short of its projected revenue (especially when we're talking about a million copy) will result in a pretty pissed off company and shareholder. It those sense, yes it is a failure.

MH3 didn't bomb, however it did fail to meet the publisher's expectation and Capcom do have shareholders to answer to




mibuokami on 19 August 2009
Soriku said:
Like I said, where did Capcom say they expected to ship 1.5 mil in JP alone?

I retract my statement, it seems the 1.5 million is regarding old shipment figure for 2G which I've mistaken for new news. As we have no projected shipment figure from Capcom, there is no measurement for expectation and no relative definition of failure in this case.

Thanks for the query, takes the wind right out of my sail :)




ClaudeLv250 on 19 August 2009

Fanboys are still clinging to the "failed" cries? It's nice to know that they went from "MH3 will bomb on Wii" to "MH3 may be the best selling 3rd party console game in Japan this generation and sure I'm incredibly angry that this game I probably wouldn't have even bothered with isn't coming to my console, but it is an absolute failure because there's a chance that it may not reach -=DEVELOPER EXPECTATIONS=- sometime in the future."

Now all we need is a "compared to install base" argument and the Prophecy of Fail shall be complete.



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johnsobas on 19 August 2009

they predicted 2 million WW by the end of the fiscal year. That includes the west though, actually 1.5 million for Japan only is probably about where they were thinking although it is never specified.



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dolemit3 on 19 August 2009
mibuokami said:
Soriku said:
Like I said, where did Capcom say they expected to ship 1.5 mil in JP alone?

I retract my statement, it seems the 1.5 million is regarding old shipment figure for 2G which I've mistaken for new news. As we have no projected shipment figure from Capcom, there is no measurement for expectation and no relative definition of failure in this case.

Thanks for the query, takes the wind right out of my sail :)

The game shipped 1 million units on Day 1 which means the expectations were quite high by Capcom and retailers.



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johnsobas on 19 August 2009
dolemit3 said:
mibuokami said:
Soriku said:
Like I said, where did Capcom say they expected to ship 1.5 mil in JP alone?

I retract my statement, it seems the 1.5 million is regarding old shipment figure for 2G which I've mistaken for new news. As we have no projected shipment figure from Capcom, there is no measurement for expectation and no relative definition of failure in this case.

Thanks for the query, takes the wind right out of my sail :)

The game shipped 1 million units on Day 1 which means the expectations were quite high by Capcom and retailers.

 



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mrstickball on 19 August 2009
Soriku said:
dolemit3 said:
mibuokami said:
Soriku said:
Like I said, where did Capcom say they expected to ship 1.5 mil in JP alone?

I retract my statement, it seems the 1.5 million is regarding old shipment figure for 2G which I've mistaken for new news. As we have no projected shipment figure from Capcom, there is no measurement for expectation and no relative definition of failure in this case.

Thanks for the query, takes the wind right out of my sail :)

The game shipped 1 million units on Day 1 which means the expectations were quite high by Capcom and retailers.


Do you know when they expected to sell them by? No? Then stop talking. The month isn't even by. By the end of the month it'll be at 900k.

Also, you do know Capcom isn't the one who decides to ship the amount of copies right? Retailers overestimated standalones but the bundle's drop is slow.

You think MH3 will be at 900k by the end of August? That's ~230,000 in 3 weeks. How much are you willing to bet it hits 900k, because I will put up almost anything to take you up that it won't hit 900k by the end of August.



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peachbuggy on 19 August 2009

How can anyone call a game a failure while it is still selling? That is beyond me. Lots of things could happen for it to achieve 1.5M sales. Like a "best of" re release or a price cut or a seasonal boost or Nintendo and Capcom getting lots more bundles out there or perhaps the game having good legs. How someone can say a game failed after 3 weeks is beyond me. Especially a Wii game. Perhaps they have a crystal ball or something?



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mibuokami on 19 August 2009
Soriku said:
dolemit3 said:
mibuokami said:
Soriku said:
Like I said, where did Capcom say they expected to ship 1.5 mil in JP alone?

I retract my statement, it seems the 1.5 million is regarding old shipment figure for 2G which I've mistaken for new news. As we have no projected shipment figure from Capcom, there is no measurement for expectation and no relative definition of failure in this case.

Thanks for the query, takes the wind right out of my sail :)

The game shipped 1 million units on Day 1 which means the expectations were quite high by Capcom and retailers.


Do you know when they expected to sell them by? No? Then stop talking. The month isn't even by. By the end of the month it'll be at 900k.

Also, you do know Capcom isn't the one who decides to ship the amount of copies right? Retailers overestimated standalones but the bundle's drop is slow.

@Dolement3

Here is the key, shipment figure is different from projected shipment figure. The former is from retailers demand and the later is the result of Capcom's internal estimation and part of their projected annual revenue that is answerable to shareholders and the market.

Again I was going of information that I did not read property and went off on a tangeant. We have no data from Capcom, and since the game was a relative success from a essential sales point of view (Best selling third party title on a home console this gen in Japan) you cannot call it a failure.