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lol this thread is so funny hahahahahahaha way better then the ps3 100%failure rate
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maybe the empty bank accounts and the constant harassment calls from investors will help them see the light?



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Western devs ignore the Wii because the Wii doesn't let them get away with graphics-are-everything. It's standard developer-baw.



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Let's not forget Nintendo also rebuying the single console they sell to make it look like it's always in high demand. They did this for more than a year where it's always sold out.

Factor that in and you'll have Nintendo at around 2.47% market share.



Squilliam said:

Wii total excluding Japan: 43,634,747

HD total excluding Japan: 50,052,595

360 total excluding Japan: 30,289,232

PS3 total excluding Japan: 19,763,363

Now, why exclude Japan? Japanese consumers buy Japanese games and Western consumers buy Japanese games and Western games, so coming from the perspective of a Japanese publisher, the Japanese console sales are important, however from the perspective of a publisher in the west the Japanese sales are unimportant. Its like how Toyota may consider all parts of the world for developing their cars which are to be exported worldwide whereas GM would not consider Japan when creating their cars because they do not sell well there.

So considering the outlook for a western publisher, the Xbox 360 and the Wii are actually similarly placed in terms of overall hardware moved because a western publisher cannot reliably sell software in Japan. Overall considering the parity of the two HD systems in terms of controls and performance the western publisher who goes 'HD' for a game is infact targeting a wider consumer base for a strictly console release. If they are targetting HD including PC then this is especially so.

In a western focused industry as we have now, just the non Japanese numbers are needed to help understand a lot of the behaviour in the industry, especially from the western publishers towards the Wii. From these numbers we can see that its nowhere near close to the domination that the PS2 had in times past and whilst its performing better individualy, the progress its made thus far is quite similar at the moment to the next best HD console and below parity with the two HD consoles combined.

So what am I trying to say? Well its best to focus on worldwide numbers when describing the behaviour of the Japanes publishers and developers and its best to focus on the non Japanese numbers when describing the actions of western publishers. Furthermore I wanted to show what these numbers are, its up to you to decide on the implications of them.


      At bolded part:  It might be similar except for the fact that Wii is 13 million ahead of 360 in Western territories while PS3 is 10.5 million behind. 



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MidnightRider85 said:
Squilliam said:

Wii total excluding Japan: 43,634,747

HD total excluding Japan: 50,052,595

360 total excluding Japan: 30,289,232

PS3 total excluding Japan: 19,763,363

Now, why exclude Japan? Japanese consumers buy Japanese games and Western consumers buy Japanese games and Western games, so coming from the perspective of a Japanese publisher, the Japanese console sales are important, however from the perspective of a publisher in the west the Japanese sales are unimportant. Its like how Toyota may consider all parts of the world for developing their cars which are to be exported worldwide whereas GM would not consider Japan when creating their cars because they do not sell well there.

So considering the outlook for a western publisher, the Xbox 360 and the Wii are actually similarly placed in terms of overall hardware moved because a western publisher cannot reliably sell software in Japan. Overall considering the parity of the two HD systems in terms of controls and performance the western publisher who goes 'HD' for a game is infact targeting a wider consumer base for a strictly console release. If they are targetting HD including PC then this is especially so.

In a western focused industry as we have now, just the non Japanese numbers are needed to help understand a lot of the behaviour in the industry, especially from the western publishers towards the Wii. From these numbers we can see that its nowhere near close to the domination that the PS2 had in times past and whilst its performing better individualy, the progress its made thus far is quite similar at the moment to the next best HD console and below parity with the two HD consoles combined.

So what am I trying to say? Well its best to focus on worldwide numbers when describing the behaviour of the Japanes publishers and developers and its best to focus on the non Japanese numbers when describing the actions of western publishers. Furthermore I wanted to show what these numbers are, its up to you to decide on the implications of them.


      At bolded part:  It might be similar except for the fact that Wii is 13 million ahead of 360 in Western territories while PS3 is 10.5 million behind.


And ? 95% of HD games are multiplatform anyway so they are sold to combined PS3 X360 and sometimes also PC userbase.



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Zlejedi said:
MidnightRider85 said:
Squilliam said:

Wii total excluding Japan: 43,634,747

HD total excluding Japan: 50,052,595

360 total excluding Japan: 30,289,232

PS3 total excluding Japan: 19,763,363

Now, why exclude Japan? Japanese consumers buy Japanese games and Western consumers buy Japanese games and Western games, so coming from the perspective of a Japanese publisher, the Japanese console sales are important, however from the perspective of a publisher in the west the Japanese sales are unimportant. Its like how Toyota may consider all parts of the world for developing their cars which are to be exported worldwide whereas GM would not consider Japan when creating their cars because they do not sell well there.

So considering the outlook for a western publisher, the Xbox 360 and the Wii are actually similarly placed in terms of overall hardware moved because a western publisher cannot reliably sell software in Japan. Overall considering the parity of the two HD systems in terms of controls and performance the western publisher who goes 'HD' for a game is infact targeting a wider consumer base for a strictly console release. If they are targetting HD including PC then this is especially so.

In a western focused industry as we have now, just the non Japanese numbers are needed to help understand a lot of the behaviour in the industry, especially from the western publishers towards the Wii. From these numbers we can see that its nowhere near close to the domination that the PS2 had in times past and whilst its performing better individualy, the progress its made thus far is quite similar at the moment to the next best HD console and below parity with the two HD consoles combined.

So what am I trying to say? Well its best to focus on worldwide numbers when describing the behaviour of the Japanes publishers and developers and its best to focus on the non Japanese numbers when describing the actions of western publishers. Furthermore I wanted to show what these numbers are, its up to you to decide on the implications of them.


      At bolded part:  It might be similar except for the fact that Wii is 13 million ahead of 360 in Western territories while PS3 is 10.5 million behind.


And ? 95% of HD games are multiplatform anyway so they are sold to combined PS3 X360 and sometimes also PC userbase.


There is no "and".  He just made a misleading statement in a veiled manner like he usually throws in his posts that said Wii was performing about like PS3 in the West in comparison to 360.  I think being 13 million ahead is quite a dissimilar thing from being 10 million behind.



I'm a Nintendo fan first, but it doesn't really surprise me to see the HD consoles get the Western attention. Nor do I believe in crazy conspiracy theories like a lot of Wii fans. These are the reasons I see:

1. As pointed out in the West PS360, together has a higher install base than the Wii. In terms of game development, at this point for a third party the PS360 basically appear to be a single console with greater marketshare.

2. A large portion of the Wii install base aren't traditional gamers (I refuse to use the term "casual" because it is so meaningless). A developer can make a game for the PS360, and be at least reasonably confident it will sell because the market is better known. Sometimes, however, they miss the mark horrendously (*cough*bioniccommando*cough*). The Wii has a traditional base, but it is an unknown, but significantly smaller portion of the whole.

3. A significant portion of traditional gamers who own a Wii also own a 360, PS3 or both. The result of this is if devs make the Wii version of a game watered down, those people will likely buy the PS360 version.

This results in it basically being less effort to make a successful PS360 game. The non-traditional gamers that Nintendo has brought in still haven't been full figured out by the market, so most games targeted at them verge on shovelware both because of a general disdain and lack of respect for them ("lol, casuals love crappy games") and because companies are sort of probing to find out what sells. When a company does hit gold with an effort that's more than just half or quarter-assed, it sells very well, for a very long time (Mario + Sonic, EA Sports Active).

Basically, the TLDR is this: the PS360 are less risky. HD gamers are a better known quantity, and thus less risky.



Excellent point.

As long as Wii gives me my eastern game fix, I'm happy.  I have a PC for western games.



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Just wanted to point out that Japan was relevant of the consoles war when PS3 was sold higher than the Wii, and now three months later you can dismiss it. Someone need to tell me if and when Japan sales are interesting or not.

 

The OP theory is interesting, but it can't explain everything. For me the main reason is that the western developpers put their main efforts in building HD games before the Wii was out. They believed people would buy the games that would look better and the consoles with the biggest known fanbase. Now they come bach step by step, but the biggest budget titles are still on HD consoles (not to waste the money already spent). Well, it's only my opinion, briefly explained in poor english.