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WereKitten on 30 April 2009

^Indeed, that was my point... I think we're miscommunicating here :) Can't MS do exactly the same, and charge the user for the playback feature with a microtransaction that downloads the software/unlock key?

That's what they do on Windows: they give you the mediaplayer, but you have to buy the DVD playing/decrypting software separately, as well as other codecs.

Or of course, they can sell you a neXtbox "media edition" that includes a wide array of media-related software at a lower price than what you would pay when upgrading to each of them.



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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 30 April 2009
Squilliam said:
WereKitten said:
Squilliam said:

Even if the hardware is finalised at the end of this year for an end of 2010 release, it will be finalised for the expected market conditions in 2011/12 and beyond.  

The issue with trying to predict the future is that there are so many viable strategies for console makers to employ. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

 

Shift everything forward in time, then. A cheap DVD player did cost $30 by the end of 2005 and into 2006 - first year of lifetime for the 360. And the market penetration was 75% of USA households by Q3 2005, 81% by Q3 2006  (source: Tom's hardware). I doubt similar costs and market numbers for BluRay in 2011/2012.

But, yeah, I agree that it's all in the air. It's fun, though :)

@azelover

Logically, I'd agree that BluRay will be enough for everything the mass consumer will be interested in for a long while. But I used to think the same about CDROMs and then DVDs, and yet the wretched content creators managed to overflow their capacity again and again :)

I hope we'll come soon to cheaper permanent RAM technologies. Those sound much more future-proof.

The reason why I am so hesitant to consider BR playback as a viable option for some future consoles are the licencing fees. People think that its terrible that consumers buy a PS3 to play BR, I think its even more terrible for Sony if they buy it and ignore BR. If we consider the current fee of $9.50 per player, if only 10% of people buying a PS3 actually use that capability for example then the cost per console of those 10% would be $95 and they would be better off enabling playback using something like a remote and dropping the price by $10 -> See wireless networking argument 107 Xbox 360. 

Its something they have to pay per console whether its used or not, so going forward into the future if fewer consoles are expected to be used for this functionality then I would expect that even if BR players are inside the next Xbox that people will have to pay extra for a remote to enable the functionality. This is especially true if the next generation consoles are designed even more to be internet media hubs rather than designed to play locally stored optical media.

 

Really?  You, the consumer, is worried about licensing fees?  That is awfully strange.  It sounds like a terrible excuse to me.  BD players prices  It's, basically, written in stone that the PS4 WILL have BD playback.  Unless MS wants to have some serious issues next-gen, their next console will have a BD drive as well.  At that point, it would make NO sense not to build in BD playback.  It's that simple.

 



Squilliam on 30 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Squilliam said:

he reason why I am so hesitant to consider BR playback as a viable option for some future consoles are the licencing fees. People think that its terrible that consumers buy a PS3 to play BR, I think its even more terrible for Sony if they buy it and ignore BR. If we consider the current fee of $9.50 per player, if only 10% of people buying a PS3 actually use that capability for example then the cost per console of those 10% would be $95 and they would be better off enabling playback using something like a remote and dropping the price by $10 -> See wireless networking argument 107 Xbox 360. 

Its something they have to pay per console whether its used or not, so going forward into the future if fewer consoles are expected to be used for this functionality then I would expect that even if BR players are inside the next Xbox that people will have to pay extra for a remote to enable the functionality. This is especially true if the next generation consoles are designed even more to be internet media hubs rather than designed to play locally stored optical media.

 

Really?  You, the consumer, is worried about licensing fees?  That is awfully strange.  It sounds like a terrible excuse to me.  BD players prices  It's, basically, written in stone that the PS4 WILL have BD playback.  Unless MS wants to have some serious issues next-gen, their next console will have a BD drive as well.  At that point, it would make NO sense not to build in BD playback.  It's that simple.

 

@Werekitten, got it.

Microsoft has already proved their willingness to not enable basic features out of the box to keep the base price SKU lower. Its not that hard to imagine that even having a BR drive, they will charge $10 or so to actually play the discs.

 

 



Tease.

noslodecoy on 30 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Squilliam said:

The reason why I am so hesitant to consider BR playback as a viable option for some future consoles are the licencing fees. People think that its terrible that consumers buy a PS3 to play BR, I think its even more terrible for Sony if they buy it and ignore BR. If we consider the current fee of $9.50 per player, if only 10% of people buying a PS3 actually use that capability for example then the cost per console of those 10% would be $95 and they would be better off enabling playback using something like a remote and dropping the price by $10 -> See wireless networking argument 107 Xbox 360. 

Its something they have to pay per console whether its used or not, so going forward into the future if fewer consoles are expected to be used for this functionality then I would expect that even if BR players are inside the next Xbox that people will have to pay extra for a remote to enable the functionality. This is especially true if the next generation consoles are designed even more to be internet media hubs rather than designed to play locally stored optical media.

 

Really?  You, the consumer, is worried about licensing fees?  That is awfully strange.  It sounds like a terrible excuse to me.  BD players prices  It's, basically, written in stone that the PS4 WILL have BD playback.  Unless MS wants to have some serious issues next-gen, their next console will have a BD drive as well.  At that point, it would make NO sense not to build in BD playback.  It's that simple.

 

I, as the consumer, would like a HVD and BD player and have it priced at ... hell, I don't want to be gready, $99.00.

He was probably taking into account expenses on the companies end that would undoubtably be passed on to the consumer.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 01 May 2009

The point is...how is this different from any other format at this point in it's lifecycle