For what i said about banjo-tooie, i have the game also (i do own all N64 rare games) but at the end of the N64 era they just made the games too elaborate. In the beginning you had banjo-kazooie and goldeneye and gemeni and those were just great games both by gameplay, graphics and simplicity. But like tooie, at the end you had cross links between worlds etc etc, i haven't finished the game. I don't say it did not deserved it scores, but it could have been better if they just kept it easy.

Rare was indeed slow on releasing games, they just had that many teams to make it up. I remember kameo being presented for N64,GC,Xbox and it finally hit XBox360.

I don't think Rare should do Donkey Kong, i think they should do Duke Nukem Forever :)

I do want to thanks Rare for re-releasing Conker bad fur day on the Xbox, it proved that Graphics don't matter and that Nintendo was willing to lose it 'childish' image: only the Xbox version was censored.


And yes we should thank them, but since the Stamper brothers drive to work in a ferrari i think they already got their little presents :)

 I hope you understand that most of my post was a joke.

ZOMG MAKE A PETITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see what your trying to say but you forgetting several crucial things. Lots of Nintendo fans give respect to rare, this thread is full of people saying how some of their most loved games are form Rare and many other Internet forums say the same thing, but they also point out that many of the original staff from the N64 period have left to join other parties and many have made great games in the process. Timesplitters 2 for example. But the current Rare has messed up their Rep a lot, with games that take forever to come out and end up being a disapointment.

 In short:

This Rare i respect: 

 This one has messed up big time:

^^ Agree's

If Rare were to make the next Donkey Kong Country I'm sure they'll work hard to keep the DK feel, they won't screw up something as huge as that, and why is everyone saying that Nintendo wont get Rare to make it...? Then why did Rare bring the GBA remakes and Diddy Kong Racing?

It's a bizzare issue that none of us really know to much about.

Obviously there's ownership/behind the scense issues we don't know about.

For example Nintendo might own the Donkey Kong Franchise but Rare might own the rights to all things 'country'.

Or, my theory is this, Rare said on September 2nd they'll only make a DKC4 if Nintendo request them to do so, which to me means Nintendo have the rights to do that and Rare is just a 3rd party developer they could ask to do it.

I love reading posts like these.

My point was to show that the griping about Rare even late in the consoles life was unjustified. Think about it like this here is a company that had put eleven games to that console. Had the majority of them receive excellent reviews. Made perfect use of the hardware, and filled out the library. Not only in volume but variety. They produced two FPS, two racers, five platformers, one fighter, one action puzzle. Hardly a one trick pony, and without them Nintendo would have been short on some genres.

I doubt we will see any of those titles on the virtual console or on the arcade unless Nintendo and Microsoft can come to terms. Perhaps the relationship will remain one of hand held ports. However here is hoping the two can agree to share. Would also do well if both companies agreed to open their back libraries to one another. Microsoft and Nintendo have not been overly antagonistic perhaps, because they are working on different markets. I think it would be smart of them to allow some bleeding of old titles to each others platforms. Would hurt Sony just a little bit more I suppose.

 You are absolutely right, however, I agree with one small change, I have respect for the people behind Rare, not the company itself.. and given most (not all, i'll admit) of those people, whose talents I have great respect for, have left, I don't see why Nintendo fans should respect the "Rare" that we know today, rather than the people behind it some ten years ago

I often hear people talking about how "Most" of Rare's staff left, but I never see any proof. Rare itself has commented that fewer than 10 people left after the buyout.

Throw in the Stamper bros, who left recently, and a couple of guys who left after Goldeneye was released (but before the buyout) and you've got less than 14 Rare employees that left since the N64 years.

I don't deny that Rare has had problems since leaving Nintendo, but I have yet to see anyone produce decent evidence that Rare's problems are because all the best staff left.

Nintendo doesnt usually ask for a game but the gaming industry is stranger than fiction.