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akuma587 said:
I mean if you can demonstrate valid sociological and physiological evidence that a drug should be outlawed because it is dangerous, then that is perfectly fine.

Otherwise it should be legal or at least decriminalized. Furthermore, a lot of drugs are only unsafe because the aren't regulated. MDMA (ecstasy) itself, for instance, really isn't overly dangerous. However, the fact that so few ecstasy pills are 100% MDMA makes the drug dangerous since you never really know what you are getting. Lack of regulation has made this drug way more dangerous than it would be otherwise.

 

You're debating religious beliefs. That's what it all boils down to in America.

Good luck with that. Someday, we'll be able to break through that barrier but I doubt it will be in our lifetime.




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jv103 said:
akuma587 said:
I mean if you can demonstrate valid sociological and physiological evidence that a drug should be outlawed because it is dangerous, then that is perfectly fine.

Otherwise it should be legal or at least decriminalized. Furthermore, a lot of drugs are only unsafe because the aren't regulated. MDMA (ecstasy) itself, for instance, really isn't overly dangerous. However, the fact that so few ecstasy pills are 100% MDMA makes the drug dangerous since you never really know what you are getting. Lack of regulation has made this drug way more dangerous than it would be otherwise.

 

 I would totally agree with you on the regulation thing, except that it would necessitate a competent regulatory body. I remember that Cox-2 inhibitors vioxx and celebrex both increased the rate of heart attacks dramatically and still got passed. Vioxx supposedly contributed to 27,000 heart attacks. That drug should have never been passed through the FDA with such horrible health side effects. Or at least you would hope it wouldn't have. Yeah pure drugs would be less harmful in the recreational arena though.

The FDA certainly needs an overhaul in terms of how it sets its policies and its research gathering practices, but honestly there is way more information out there about a lot of illegal drugs than there is about drugs that are currently being manufactured.  All the druggies out there have been great guinea pigs.

So FDA regulation really isn't so much of an issue for drugs that have been around for awhile.  The only drugs that we should be more careful about are "designer" drugs and anything that is completely synthetic that has been created only recently.

Hell, even LSD is way safer in terms of its effect on the body compared to things you can buy at the grocery store.  Admittedly, if you took too much LSD you might go insane...but if you took too much of a lot of over the counter drugs you would overdose, so what's the difference?  You can hallucinate on things you can buy at the grocery store as well if you start getting creative.

 



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Marijuana should be decriminalized but not legal. So if you get caught you pay a fine or something like that. If you are caught with large amounts then it becomes and remains trafficing. Technically its illegal here in BC Canada but the police pretty much treat it the same as under age drinking or a misdemeanor.



my stand on some drugs, such as weed, is that so many people go to jail for it, we could save money if we released everyone in jail for smoking weed or having over an ounce.
drugs like heroin and meth, should still be outlawed.



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