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This is a bunch of bollocks... people are saying that Nintendo isn't about the hardcore games any more because their press conference didn't focus on those games massively?

What are people nuts?

Some of the biggest and best games coming out of Nintendo in recent times are at E3, Mario Galaxy and Metroid are two of them... and then there are many more coming out after that.

What is wrong with Nintendo filling their typically long gaps with other types of games to keep their sales momentum up which will in turn cause better 3rd party games to be released on the Wii because it has a much higher install base?

Some people need to get their mindsets right... this E3 has been hardcore impressive for me, and has put me back into a little bit of a Nintendo 'favour' which was disappearing lately... Mario Galaxy is going to be one of the best games of all time, I haven't heard such glowing hands on of a game in... well since the N64 generation!



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I'm really not sure whether people are more afraid that the new gamers Nintendo brings into the market will leave or that they won't leave ... The fact is that neither is likely to happen in the way that people fear.

  • Non-Traditional gamers are probably not going to enter the market with enough influence to completely dominate the attention of the publishers
  • Non-Traditional gamers are probably not going to leave the market so quickly that the sales of games targeted towards these gamers flop
  • Non-Traditional gamers will probably buy a lot of 'Borderline' games which appeal to both core gamers and Non-Traditional gamers
  • Non-Traditional gamers will probably buy a few core games that interest them

 



fooflexible said:
It really doesn't matter what Nintendo does, Nintendo simply can't invent interest in it's console. So from a business perspective, is that interest is there it must cultivate it. Business goes where the money is, and it's chasing the money. And to be fare to Nintendo with their supposed "not caring about us" attitude, they could point the finger at us first. Gamers left them for 2 generations, so there moving on to bigger and better things. If Nintendo didn't reinvent themselves this generation do you really think they would have survived another generation?

Secondly they showed Wiifit, along side Metroid, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros., so the scales in Nintendo's development teams is still tipped in the hardcore's pocket.

Thirdly, Nintendo is actually doing the entire industry a favor. Nintendo is like pot, it's the light drug, and when people try and get into it more and more people will go to the hard stuff. My wife, started with Nintendogs and Brain Age, and she's now moving onto platform titles, soon she'll be putting the smack down on me in Halo 3. So I still think they are not stealing market share, they are creating more of it, and in time the whole industry will benefit from it.

This is totally true. Nintendo is expanding the market. Whatever "core" gamers think, they can keep it to themselves. The OP talks about "Wheres all the new franchises???"

DON'T YOU REMEMBER THEY JUST INVENTED A WHOLE NEW WAY TO PLAY GAMES??? There is a freaking limit to how much they can INVENT in one sitting, OK? There will be new franchises, if you'd just shut your trap for a year or so. They are more worried about making enough consoles to MEET current demand, much less worrying about CREATING demand.



can one of the wii detractors please explain to me what they think the qualifications for a hardcore game have to be? And also what the qualifications for a hardcore gamer have to be.



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ugg1020 said:
can one of the wii detractors please explain to me what they think the qualifications for a hardcore game have to be? And also what the qualifications for a hardcore gamer have to be.

Hardcore game: any game that isn't available on a Nintendo console can qualify for it.

Hardcore gamer: someone who dislikes the Wii, the DS and Nintendo in general.



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mrstickball said:
I left the Nintendo boat.........oh........8 years ago, and haven't looked back. I just came to your realilization a long time ago.
Let me ask someone this: when was the last time Nintendo tried to build a strong new Nintendocore IP that didn't cater to the touch or wii series of gamers?

Let me guess... a every new "WWII FPS now with co-op mode" is a really fresh and exciting new IP, but Mario Strikers isn't because it uses Mario characters in a sports context, am I right? I mean, it's not like Hitler always uses the same moustache, but Mario sure does!

I'm pretty sure Metroid Prime won't count either (it's the same sexy Samus after all) no matter that it's in FP now. Or Battalion Wars, which is nothing more than the same crap, now in RTS mode. Excite Truck is clearly just the same as Excite Bike (it's got Nitro after all, right?) And stuff like Wario Ware is already 100% minigames, so it definitely won't count (and it has Wario, I mean, what could be worse than that!?)

I'm also positive that Nintendo published games like Eternal Darkness won't count, which obviously doesn't exclude Gears of War as a spanking new MS IP.

Maybe you just don't like Nintendo games, and that's fine by me. But this is what core Nintendo games are. We like it, we'll buy them - the new and the old. And over those last 8 years since you've left (actually those are all Gamecube games, so they represent only 5 years; for 8 I'd have to include some N64 stuff) Nintendo did come up with a ton of fresh stuff (besides the Pikmins and Animal Crossings which we love too).

It's doing just the same now. It started with all the big guns for core (Mario, Paper, Smash, Kart, Strikers, Wario, Wars, Zelda, Metroid, Excite), and fresh stuff for casuals, because there was nothing to build on - all this in just 18 months. And since only one or two games per franchise are released every generation, we'll see new IPs in the future, make no doubt about it (after all we already have at the very least Disaster).

True Nintendo fans, those that stuck around for the last 2 generations and those that are coming back, have much to be pleased right now, believe me. I have some 10+ Nintendo games in my buy list right now - in 18 months! And another 10+ third party, which is what market share brings to the table.

Were it any different, and the general populace would be cryin that Nin is suffocating third parties. Well, you just have to make up your minds: either Nin is not releasing any good games at all, or it's suffocating everybody else. You can't have both.



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Hello fellas, I am new to this forum, (well not really being browsing the threads for a few months now, but my first time posting.), just wanted to add my 2 cents to this topic.

I think some people are being a little over the top by saying Nintendo does not care for hardcore gamers any more (of course they do we have money!!). But people have stated probably a thousand times Nintendo are about to release their most hardcore line-up yet. It seems the only comeback to that is “well they are old rehashes, and I am bored of them”. Which shows that some peoples minds are already made up! Fair enough.

But there are other systems out there. The guy who said he wanted new ip’s, and went on to name some coming from Sony and MS (though I am sure some were third party games, but could be wrong). So my question to u is, y not just get another system and be happy? Regardless of what Nintendo do whether they are successful or not, there will always be another system with hardcore games and new ip’s.

Where I would fault Nintendo is that they are not doing enough to get support from third party’s, say what u want bout Sony or Microsoft but they make sure they get the best games on their systems. Nintendo need to stop being slack and give more of a incentive to third developers.



ugg1020 said:
can one of the wii detractors please explain to me what they think the qualifications for a hardcore game have to be? And also what the qualifications for a hardcore gamer have to be.

This labeling is sickening. Classic example of herd/gang mentality.

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This guy (unrelated to that guy) walks into a bar, and proceeds to chalk a white line splitting the barroom neatly into two. He stands inbetween the line and says, "Everyone on the left of this line is an idiot. Everyone to the right of the line is an @$$hole."

One of the bar regulars tells this guy,"hey, I'm no @$$hole!"

This guy replies, "well, then, get over to the other side of the bar".

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Seriously, people, why must everything game-related be absolutely black or white? What happened to the gray areas? Things sure aren't like that in real life...



RolStoppable said:
ugg1020 said:
can one of the wii detractors please explain to me what they think the qualifications for a hardcore game have to be? And also what the qualifications for a hardcore gamer have to be.

Hardcore game: any game that isn't available on a Nintendo console can qualify for it.

Hardcore gamer: someone who dislikes the Wii, the DS and Nintendo in general.


Interestingly enough last generation would have been the same but Sony would have been there instead of Nintendo. I think there is currently alot of eliteists in gaming as there is in music, so that the popular choice is not "hardcore". I would simply say go with what you enjoy and don't give a damn about the rest.



Rath said:
Celb said:
Nin is NOT about games anymore. Just accept it.

I dont think they are hurting gaming, if anything they will bring in new people to Sony and MS consoles.


Has there ever been a post as fanboyish as this one?

Posting an opinion and then demanding we accept it as fact without posting ANY reasoning to back it up.

 

The earth is flat. Just accept it.


ok then Wheres Nintendos anwser to 

Killzone/Halo

GranTurismo/Forza

God of war/NGs/Heavenly/DevilMayCry

Wheres Nintendos online, what 3/4 games will have online in 2007 LOL

WhiteNightStory/Mass Affect where the RPGS ?

 but they do have 10 differant gimmick controller addons, a exercise board and WOW a weight scale.