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Kuta said:
steverhcp02 said:
Kuta said:
I have read this entire thread (took me a week!) because I thought it would help me figure out which format to get when putting an order on Blade Runner Ultimate Collectors Set. I wish you guys would hurry up and figure out which one is better. I trust both versions would have the same content.

 visually they look just about identicle. There is more room for BD to grow visually and with audio due to higher bitrate and larger capacity. But prettymuch all the dual format releases look identicle.

At this stage its just people who despise sony vs people who own PS3's or REALLY care about future specs. Looking at the numbers its obvious, PC world gives us more storage, cinema gives us more potential with space and bitrate, the technology OVERALL goes to BD. HD DVD has interactivity and internet connection its the advantage, but interactivity is now gone as the PS3 was just upgraded to profile 1.1 and Panasonic has released a full spec player.

So, then it comes down to studios. If you havent bought in yet, id wait until after CES, beginning of Janurary, as announcement should take place there that should hopefully give us a better idea as to the future of HDM. As it stands, Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM, Columbia, Lionsgate, Miramax, BVHE, Warner are available on BD.....Universal, Focus, Paramount, Dreamworks, Warner, (select weinstein) are available on HD DVD. BD players can be had now for $300 whereas HD DVD players can be had for $220 on amazon (i think thats the lowest perhaps $199) Movies are pretty much identicle.

So if you can wait, wait until mid january and this might be on its way ot being over. If you need ot buy now, ask yourself if the extra $100 is worth the BD studios at the expense of HD DVD studios and if youd rather have the POTENTIAL for 200gb of storage for your PC and POTENTIALLY the optimization of audio and video due to higher bitrate and extra space for lossless audio. If you dont want those things for the extra $100, dive into HD DVD. As long as you know the differences whichever you decide should be good.


 

After some research into it I decided on getting the HD-DVD set.  Its not that I have anything against Blu-ray  but I have found that some HD-DVD releases have some more extra features and I am a real sucker for extras.  The extra amount of space on Blu-ray didn't really change much for me because when you think about it, it only really gives an advantage for the PC industry.   There are only so many hours of film I could sit and watch without a break so having a really large movie disc doesn't make that much sense.  HD-DVD discs are cheaper to make so it is just as easy to include another disc than to cram everything on the one.

Bitrate I assume refers to improved picture quality?  Now that we have High Defenition picture will it really make that much difference if one is slightly better than the other?  That goes for sound too.  At the moment the sound in movies is pretty darn good so how much more improvment is possible?  We are getting to the point where it is going to cost you a lot of extra money to get a little improvment in performance so it really isn't worth it.  Besides all that I would assume that both parties would work to improve their format over time, so not knowing what the future holds, trying to guess which one will have the better features overall in the end is pointless.

One important point that needs to be made about blu-ray is that fact that most of its install base consists of  PS3 units.  Even after you determine how many of those PS3 owners will actually buy any movies you need to accept the fact that very few of those people would've bought the console for the fact they can play blu-ray movies on it.  A great majority of them would be just gamers and are going to be far more interested in building their games collection than gaining a good collection of blu-ray movies.  On the other hand, those who buy stand alone players are obviously people who are interested in only movies and will likely buy plenty of them.  HD-DVD is clearly winning in player sales.

 Another thing the blu-ray group needs to worry about is image.  It won't be long until blu-ray becomes closely associated with the PS3 and the PS3 is a games machine.  It is not a home theatre system and not many people will buy it for that purpose.  At the moment there are high blu-ray sales because the PS3 is new and owners are proud and curious with being able to play HD movies on it.  You can expect blu-ray sales to be high in the near future but will eventualy fade while the HD-DVD will ramp up sales in the longer term.  HD-DVD will not become associated to the X360 game system in people minds like blu-ray will, and that means it will be seen as more of an official HD format and consumers will accept it better.

Anyway, I havn't actually bought a player yet and I will probably wait for the dual format players to become cheap which means my brand new Blade Runner Collectors set will be gathering dust probably for at least another year.  I had to buy it now though because it is a limited edition.

This has been an opinon from an average consumer with not that much interest in technical specifications and who just wants to enjoy a good movie now and in the future.


I am not sure i will agree with your logic. It is just like saying that by the end of the next year PS3 will over take Wii in the LTD sales. for this XBOX not only has to start winning every week against Wii but it also has to remove that around 10 million deficiet...

So same is the case here.. for last 50 weeks HD DVD has not won a single week. They got exclusives like Bourne Ultimatum (one of my fav. third sequel movie), Transformer (another fav.) and Shrek 3... and the LTD sale difference between the two formats is continuously increasing in fav. of Blu Ray. This last week was the best chance for HD DVD (as they had Bourne Ultimatum and Harry Potter was getting released on both formats) to win and after they have lost it by 61:39, i don't feel they r going to come ahead of Blu-Ray if the situation remains the same in respect to the studio support... Now this also shows that Blu Ray has got the momentum in fav of it and the catalogue title are not going to let one strong release from the HD DVD to the turn the numbers in HD DVD favor.

I don't think any side is going to kill the other side now until or unless either1 Studios goes exclusive from HD DVD to Blu Ray or 2 studios goes exlusives from Blu Ray to HD DVD.

Btw extras by Blu-Ray exclusive studios r upto the par of HD DVD but u r right when the neutral studio release a film on both format then HD DVD gets more extras. but it has not helped much for the HD DVD so far.. but i think as the Blu-Ray demand increase neutral studios will also give equal importance to both the format.



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Blu Ray 1.1 can have just as much interactivity and extras as HD-DVD ,if not more .



I like some  of HD DVD movies have combos of hd and regular dvd



LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
David Vaughn has made his weekly "prediction"...

61:39 BD:HD

Ouch.

This week the major releases were Harry Potter 1-5 on both formats and the Bourne Ultimatum on HD DVD. Both sides had BOGOs at Best Buy but HD DVD had an extra BOGO at Amazon. The Bourne Ultimatum was the top seller on either format for the week.

This was HD DVD's week to win it, but they failed. Horribly.

Just one exclusive, and almost everything else for both sides, how was this supposed to be HD-DVD's week?

And how is 61% horrible, when it's a better margin than last week? 


This was supposed to be HD DVD's week because

1) Bourne Ultimatum, a huge exclusive was released for HD DVD
2) Blu-Ray had no major exclusive release
3) HD DVD had a BOGO (Buy One Get One) sales
4) Blu-Ray had no BOGO sale that week

Now if you recall, it was most likely due to Blu-Ray's first BOGO sale during the release week of Transformers that allowed Blu-Ray to just beat out HD DVD by 51:49.

So if HD DVD ever had any chance to win, with a major exclusive and BOGO on the same week, it would have been the week of Bourne Ultimatum. This was supposed to be HD DVD's week.



You must have missed out on the BOGO at best buy's then. Same time as the HD DVD BOGO at Best buys'.



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Diomedes1976 said:
Blu Ray 1.1 can have just as much interactivity and extras as HD-DVD ,if not more .

 



whyser said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
David Vaughn has made his weekly "prediction"...

61:39 BD:HD

Ouch.

This week the major releases were Harry Potter 1-5 on both formats and the Bourne Ultimatum on HD DVD. Both sides had BOGOs at Best Buy but HD DVD had an extra BOGO at Amazon. The Bourne Ultimatum was the top seller on either format for the week.

This was HD DVD's week to win it, but they failed. Horribly.

Just one exclusive, and almost everything else for both sides, how was this supposed to be HD-DVD's week?

And how is 61% horrible, when it's a better margin than last week?


This was supposed to be HD DVD's week because

1) Bourne Ultimatum, a huge exclusive was released for HD DVD

It was a hit, but more than Transformers or Pirates 3?

2) Blu-Ray had no major exclusive release

Sales don't just come from new releases, as charts have shown.

3) HD DVD had a BOGO (Buy One Get One) sales
4) Blu-Ray had no BOGO sale that week

It did. One for Best Buy, and one for Amazon. They weren't major, but they were there.

Now if you recall, it was most likely due to Blu-Ray's first BOGO sale during the release week of Transformers that allowed Blu-Ray to just beat out HD DVD by 51:49.

So if HD DVD ever had any chance to win, with a major exclusive and BOGO on the same week, it would have been the week of Bourne Ultimatum. This was supposed to be HD DVD's week.


I knew this wan't going to be a week HD-DVD would beat blu-ray. So this is not some kind of defeat. If the mainstream does this, THEN HD-DVD would have a defeat. 



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Why don't you buy the LG player that plays both HD-DVD and Blu Ray? it probably costs a lot but you can play all HD movies. I already have a ps3 so i wouldn't buy it, but if i didn't have ps3, i'd buy it.



LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
David Vaughn has made his weekly "prediction"...

61:39 BD:HD

Ouch.

This week the major releases were Harry Potter 1-5 on both formats and the Bourne Ultimatum on HD DVD. Both sides had BOGOs at Best Buy but HD DVD had an extra BOGO at Amazon. The Bourne Ultimatum was the top seller on either format for the week.

This was HD DVD's week to win it, but they failed. Horribly.

Just one exclusive, and almost everything else for both sides, how was this supposed to be HD-DVD's week?

And how is 61% horrible, when it's a better margin than last week?

 

All things were equal across the two formats except HD DVD had one of the biggest exclusives of the year.  If Blu-Ray needed a BOGO to hold the Transformers week, then shouldn't a BOGO on both sides have led to a win for HD DVD this week?

On a week of record breaking HDM sales, this really looks bad for HD DVD.  All these cheap hardware sales were supposed to make up lost ground for HD, but there have been more 70+ week wins for Blu-Ray recently than there have been since March. 

61% is horrible, considering the fact that last week HD was going up against PotC3.  These week, things were the complete opposite, and HD DVD gained back very little ground at all.

 



Kuta said:
steverhcp02 said:
Kuta said:
I have read this entire thread (took me a week!) because I thought it would help me figure out which format to get when putting an order on Blade Runner Ultimate Collectors Set. I wish you guys would hurry up and figure out which one is better. I trust both versions would have the same content.

visually they look just about identicle. There is more room for BD to grow visually and with audio due to higher bitrate and larger capacity. But prettymuch all the dual format releases look identicle.

At this stage its just people who despise sony vs people who own PS3's or REALLY care about future specs. Looking at the numbers its obvious, PC world gives us more storage, cinema gives us more potential with space and bitrate, the technology OVERALL goes to BD. HD DVD has interactivity and internet connection its the advantage, but interactivity is now gone as the PS3 was just upgraded to profile 1.1 and Panasonic has released a full spec player.

So, then it comes down to studios. If you havent bought in yet, id wait until after CES, beginning of Janurary, as announcement should take place there that should hopefully give us a better idea as to the future of HDM. As it stands, Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM, Columbia, Lionsgate, Miramax, BVHE, Warner are available on BD.....Universal, Focus, Paramount, Dreamworks, Warner, (select weinstein) are available on HD DVD. BD players can be had now for $300 whereas HD DVD players can be had for $220 on amazon (i think thats the lowest perhaps $199) Movies are pretty much identicle.

So if you can wait, wait until mid january and this might be on its way ot being over. If you need ot buy now, ask yourself if the extra $100 is worth the BD studios at the expense of HD DVD studios and if youd rather have the POTENTIAL for 200gb of storage for your PC and POTENTIALLY the optimization of audio and video due to higher bitrate and extra space for lossless audio. If you dont want those things for the extra $100, dive into HD DVD. As long as you know the differences whichever you decide should be good.


 

After some research into it I decided on getting the HD-DVD set. Its not that I have anything against Blu-ray but I have found that some HD-DVD releases have some more extra features and I am a real sucker for extras. The extra amount of space on Blu-ray didn't really change much for me because when you think about it, it only really gives an advantage for the PC industry. There are only so many hours of film I could sit and watch without a break so having a really large movie disc doesn't make that much sense. HD-DVD discs are cheaper to make so it is just as easy to include another disc than to cram everything on the one.

Bitrate I assume refers to improved picture quality? Now that we have High Defenition picture will it really make that much difference if one is slightly better than the other? That goes for sound too. At the moment the sound in movies is pretty darn good so how much more improvment is possible? We are getting to the point where it is going to cost you a lot of extra money to get a little improvment in performance so it really isn't worth it. Besides all that I would assume that both parties would work to improve their format over time, so not knowing what the future holds, trying to guess which one will have the better features overall in the end is pointless.

One important point that needs to be made about blu-ray is that fact that most of its install base consists of PS3 units. Even after you determine how many of those PS3 owners will actually buy any movies you need to accept the fact that very few of those people would've bought the console for the fact they can play blu-ray movies on it. A great majority of them would be just gamers and are going to be far more interested in building their games collection than gaining a good collection of blu-ray movies. On the other hand, those who buy stand alone players are obviously people who are interested in only movies and will likely buy plenty of them. HD-DVD is clearly winning in player sales.

Another thing the blu-ray group needs to worry about is image. It won't be long until blu-ray becomes closely associated with the PS3 and the PS3 is a games machine. It is not a home theatre system and not many people will buy it for that purpose. At the moment there are high blu-ray sales because the PS3 is new and owners are proud and curious with being able to play HD movies on it. You can expect blu-ray sales to be high in the near future but will eventualy fade while the HD-DVD will ramp up sales in the longer term. HD-DVD will not become associated to the X360 game system in people minds like blu-ray will, and that means it will be seen as more of an official HD format and consumers will accept it better.

Anyway, I havn't actually bought a player yet and I will probably wait for the dual format players to become cheap which means my brand new Blade Runner Collectors set will be gathering dust probably for at least another year. I had to buy it now though because it is a limited edition.

This has been an opinon from an average consumer with not that much interest in technical specifications and who just wants to enjoy a good movie now and in the future.


The Blu-Ray version of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix has HD extras and an extra 40 min. A&E commentary.  The HD DVD version's extras are in SD, and it doesn't have the A&E commentary.  Space does matter.