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Grampy said:
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Building computers is fun and sometimes cheaper but because of mass purchasing, often the computer is cheaper than the sum of its parts. We used to build all our workstations and I suppose I have built 200 or more myself. But we really stopped in part because the University got a good enough price contract out of Dell that it wasn't worth it. Also as we networked it was more desirable to have less variation. I wouldn't discourage anyone but only if they will enjoy it and are prepared for some frustration. One suggestion is be careful about your choice in motherboards. There are some really cheesy ones made and sold separately that I don't think would get by any computer makers quality control.

 


 I have always dreamed of building my own PC. PC was not my first gaming console but it was the first gaming console I remember (apparently I played video games when I was 4) so computer hold sentimental value to me. Console gaming never really held too much appeal to me until recently due to Wii, then after getting my Wii I got bunch of other consoles DS, PS2 and 360 but in the end PC is very important to me. My old PC broke down on me but I still wanted to play some of the PC exclusive games out there and I didnt want to spend 1k on a computer that I know contains crappy parts, parts that I dont need and I will not be able to upgrade in the future. I was kinda glad that my old PC broke down because it was at the end of upgrading capabilities because its ram was filled and it didnt have the PCI express 2.0 slot. So I have finally was able to get enough cash and with summer vacation coming up I wil have plenty of time to assemble my new baby. 



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All of the following can run every current game well, including Crysis / Age of Conan


$500
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14610/2

$1000
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14610/4

$1500
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14610/6



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tabsina said:
Grampy said:
tabsina said:
Grampy said:
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Thank you, glad to help. Love Australia, spent a month in Melbourne on an assignment to work with the NASA Airborne Observatory. Loved the people, their attitude just about everything with the exception of those awfully greasy bacon hoagies for breakfast at the Qantas maintenance facility. LOL Haven't you folks heard of cholesterol.I'm looking over the parts list and will get back to you later when I've had time to digest it. I see some familiar things but some names and numbers are different. Be sure to get a reality check from someone local you can trust.By the by, do you want to build from scratch?

 


Haha,  I'm from melbourne.. yeap, we've heard of cholesterol.. probably why we don't have awesome things like IHOP

Anywho, my original plan was to build it from scratch, but after reading through your post, I feel it may by much easier for me to just 'pimp' out an already built up system, given my lack of experience in that it'll be the first computer i put together/touchup myself.. that said, i think if given all the parts, i'd be able to peice it all together and make it work... 

So while i don't mind starting from scratch, i think it'd be more convinient to add things to an already made base


Usually more convenient and cheaper. It's a good way to start. Putting in memory and a video card is dead easy. Just take static precautions of course. It being a lot colder down there this time of year than here.Putting in the power supply is usually no problem. They're supposed to all be interchangeable but I have seen exceptions. It's a good idea to measure the one you are replacing and make sure the new one will fit. I'm not sure but I guess your power supplies are different because of the mains, or are you 220, which is usually a switch setting. I think that's right although I don't remember for sure. Also, if you're very lucky you'll get power supplies where you can switch the harness without unhooking everything.Since all other choices can be affected by the basic box you choose. Take a look around locally and see if you can find a good basic unit on sale. Then we'll know how many memory slots we have. The size of the power supply (sometimes you get lucky and it's big enough ... but not often. Just drop me a message when you have one and I'll help you pimp it up a little.

 



Chemical said:

This computer looks very nice. Just recently I have ordered bunch of parts from newegg to build my own pc from scratch and in the end it will most likely cost me around 800$ but its stats are slightly better. Dont get me wrong the build you got here is very nice and is awesome reference material for anyone who wants to build a powerful gaming PC for cheap.

Thank you for posting information like this, it is very helpful for newbies in computer building like me. Newegg is a great source for computer parts but the selection is so huge that I need to know where to start.

 Edit: In the future I would love to see some information on actually assembling the parts. This is mostly selfish because I will be assembling my computer in a couple of weeks so all information would be helpful.


 

Unfortunately that's harder to do except in almost useless general terms since it is so dependent on the specific parts. Biggest mistake I see is not gounding yourself with a wrist strap. Static kills. Second, just take your time. If something doesn't go together easily, back off and take another look. Nothing in a computer should require any force.

If you have questions I'll be here. Just leave me a message and I'll get right back to you.



Chemical said:

This computer looks very nice. Just recently I have ordered bunch of parts from newegg to build my own pc from scratch and in the end it will most likely cost me around 800$ but its stats are slightly better. Dont get me wrong the build you got here is very nice and is awesome reference material for anyone who wants to build a powerful gaming PC for cheap.

Thank you for posting information like this, it is very helpful for newbies in computer building like me. Newegg is a great source for computer parts but the selection is so huge that I need to know where to start.

 Edit: In the future I would love to see some information on actually assembling the parts. This is mostly selfish because I will be assembling my computer in a couple of weeks so all information would be helpful.


 

Unfortunately that's harder to do except in almost useless general terms since it is so dependent on the specific parts. Biggest mistake I see is not gounding yourself with a wrist strap. Static kills. Second, just take your time. If something doesn't go together easily, back off and take another look. Nothing in a computer should require any force.

If you have questions I'll be here. Just leave me a message and I'll get right back to you.



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Kwaad said:

Ok, This is the laptop I have... (for the most part)

Mine, is the 'slightly' older version, only diffrence is mine has 3gb memory, and it has 4gb, mine didnt come with SP1, and it does.

I'm not gonna do a sexy picture of the performance...

Processor:4.7
Memory: 4.5
Graphics: 5.9
Gaming Graphics: 5.8
HDD: 5.3

Overall quite the impressive score for a lap-top. And really not that bad of a price, I got mine on sale for 1250$

, pre-installed, and worked out of the box flawless and as the numbers show, quite a bit faster.

Really that 'full crysis capability' is quite a load of BS, as my desktop, can NOT run crysis at FULL(and it's about 30% faster than my laptop, which is double the speed of yours). The only person I know, (in person) who has a computer that can do that, is my brother, and he has a 4000$ computer. (it's psycho, over-the-top, and I am by no means saying you couldnt build a system for less to do what his can... well actually you couldnt, but you wouldnt need to either)

 

EDIT: I just want to say, I just noticed your, "Spend 1,000-1,500 on an almost good enough computer." I spent 1.250 on my laptop, and it's WAAY faster than your 'good enough' computer. Just dont buy an alienware, or a high performance DELL. Look up ASUS, they have some custom build laptops/computers, that will just blow your mind, for really decent prices.

The link I provide, is the "ONLY" gameing notebook for under 2000$ that is NEAR as fast as it is. And it's WAY under 2000. It goes cheap on processor, memory, screen. Not the Video card. A true gem.

Also, do yourself a favor, and add 300$ for windows, as you did not include that. So your 'so-so' custom made computer after monitor, has now cost around 1050$, while my laptop only ran me 1250, yet it's faster. Building custom computers are really fun, but it's not that cheap, unless you go 2nd from best. As if you go 'mid tier' you really wont save that much money.

If you build one, go cheap on the CPU, go all out on the memory, and buy the 2nd fastest video card on the market, after *everything* including HDD, you are looking at about 1300-1500$ and that is a seriously moster of a computer. I really dont reccomend you to build your own computer, uness you know what your doing, as when you build your own computer when something breaks, even in the first 20 days. (very common) you have no way of diagnosing what happend, and you end up either not fixing it, or spending WAAY too much to fix it. I just re-built my desktop. (changed the HDD's in it around a little for a fresh install, and minor upgrade with DVD Drive, and add a HDD) One of my SATA wires came out of the end about 1mm, and if I didnt know exactly "where" the problem was, I would have never found that, got a new HDD, then it wouldnt have worked, then probibally a new motherboard thinking my SATA bus was gone, and then I would probibally end up using a new wire from the new one, and when that worked, I just spent about 250$ on a problem that could have been done for under 5$.

I've been building computers for over 10 years, I'm not that old, and I'm always tinkering in, on, or something with one. I honestly cant reccomend the 'average' person to build a computer as it is a very... challenging process.

And dont think you could check the HDD on your 'old' computer, as it would likely not have SATA, and only have IDE, and there's alot of stuff like that in new computers, that is 100% not compatable with old computers. Also if you are buying a computer, you have to make sure you order the right parts, as if you order a SATA drive, and your motherboard does not support SATA, you have a HDD that you can sit and look at, but not use.

EDIT2: Also, something is MAJOR wrong with your rig, you should be pushing at *MINIMUM* a 5 in graphics. Your card is the same as mine. (clock, and pipes) You should be next to identical to what my laptop pushes on graphics. I'm curious do you know what multiplier your PCI-E runs at?

EDIT3: I play Age of Conan at max. ;)

EDIT4:I didnt see the fact your vista score was NOT with that hardware setup. However in that setup be-weary about the on-board video card, as I have encountered some major problems with those, and trying to put on the big ones.


I have no intention of getting in a pissing match with you because you are rude, arrogant and obviously never really read the OP.

You're telling me about your faster notebook which the numbers clearly show is considerably lower than the one I suggested. I presume you are comparing to the photograph of numbers which I clearly stated is from a very basic notebook not the computer being built.

I don't have to add anything for Windows, the specs tell you that it comes with that included. It is not an IDE it is a SATA 7200 rpm drive.

I could go on but frankly I do not believe there is an accurate or worthwhile line in the entire thing.You talk about the old computer when everything in the discussion is new purchased and you tell me it would cost $1500 when I clearly priced the whole thing out on prices current of this afternoon.

And your last statement one again shows you didn't read because you say I need to be pushing five when I believe it is quite clear that the final product would be 5.6-5.8.

So don’t waste my time with crap like this when you didn't even read the original posting. I won't be responding to anything else you post because it is obvious that you are trying to show off rather than offer anything constructive but you mouth is writing checks you  level of knowledge can't cash.

 



Sorry folks, I'm going to bed. Baby sitting the two brats has worn me out. It's a shame that serious discussion between mature people is so often ruined by kiddies that don't read the posting and just start mouthing off about things with out the least hint of coutesy, reason or knowledge.



Alot of places will give you a discount if you buy a bunch of hardware components at one time (I know my work does).



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Grampy said:
Squilliam said:
Sorry :) I live in New Zealand haha.

That's fine. I've actually been on assignment to Christchurch twice and only once to Australia. Love them both but if I had to choose, South Island really captured a bit of my heart. Lovely lands and people.

This will crack you up. What really dumb thing do you think I did during my first week in NZ.

Aswer: I went to a zoo no realizing that almost everything there was from Australia or even the states. Duhh

Anyway, your choices looked great. I didn't mean to imply that there was one special way. It's a competitive industry and there are many good options. I chose the setup because I thought it was the best all around deal I saw today. In fact I usually get Intel,, not AMD but AMD does often yield more bang  for the buck. I often take advantage of sales and tend to be fairly agnostic about the established computer makers.

There are exceptions and these are largely personal choices based on years of experience good and bad. I only buy Nikon cameras F,F2,F3,F4,D1, D70,D200. And I only buy Epson printers up to and including my current 9800 (44" wide). 

 


I just wanted to offer my own take on it. I think what you're saying is an exellent way for computer Noobs to get into gaming. OEM companies that are reputable actually test and engineer their systems and often people that build with the cheapest of components forget that they are saving money on quality and it will bite them in the butt in the long term. I am always conservative when I offer advice about building computers, I make sure that the components are good quality and I tend to steer people away from Single slot high power graphics cards if im not sure they know what they are doing. Heat kills fast and it kills slowly, especially an aforementioned cheap motherboard.

The south Island is really nice, im from the North and I haven't had a chance to tour the country much down below. Im glad you liked it. Theres awesome scenery pretty much whereever you choose to base yourself. Just recently I went to the absoltute far north of the country, it was awesome! Sure beat the graphics in Crysis thats for sure.



Tease.

Squilliam said:
Grampy said:
Squilliam said:
Sorry :) I live in New Zealand haha.

That's fine. I've actually been on assignment to Christchurch twice and only once to Australia. Love them both but if I had to choose, South Island really captured a bit of my heart. Lovely lands and people.

This will crack you up. What really dumb thing do you think I did during my first week in NZ.

Aswer: I went to a zoo no realizing that almost everything there was from Australia or even the states. Duhh

Anyway, your choices looked great. I didn't mean to imply that there was one special way. It's a competitive industry and there are many good options. I chose the setup because I thought it was the best all around deal I saw today. In fact I usually get Intel,, not AMD but AMD does often yield more bang  for the buck. I often take advantage of sales and tend to be fairly agnostic about the established computer makers.

There are exceptions and these are largely personal choices based on years of experience good and bad. I only buy Nikon cameras F,F2,F3,F4,D1, D70,D200. And I only buy Epson printers up to and including my current 9800 (44" wide). 

 


I just wanted to offer my own take on it. I think what you're saying is an exellent way for computer Noobs to get into gaming. OEM companies that are reputable actually test and engineer their systems and often people that build with the cheapest of components forget that they are saving money on quality and it will bite them in the butt in the long term. I am always conservative when I offer advice about building computers, I make sure that the components are good quality and I tend to steer people away from Single slot high power graphics cards if im not sure they know what they are doing. Heat kills fast and it kills slowly, especially an aforementioned cheap motherboard.

The south Island is really nice, im from the North and I haven't had a chance to tour the country much down below. Im glad you liked it. Theres awesome scenery pretty much whereever you choose to base yourself. Just recently I went to the absoltute far north of the country, it was awesome! Sure beat the graphics in Crysis thats for sure.


Very good explination, i work as a Computer Engineer/Technician and so many times a person will buy an awesome bit of hardware, and they will buy another part inwhich the awesome part needs to run, like a Power Supply.

 

So many times during my time at work has a person came in brought a 800 dollar graphics card, and they buy a shitty 70 dollar power supply, most of the time switching and they will come in a week later saying my computer won't work. Lol.



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