Your link doesn’t relate to your opinion in any way yet you act as if it confirms your belief.

Very optimistic belief, by the way. I can see why you call yourself an optimist, always looking at the glass half full angle.

It’s very easy talking with you...you just latch onto links that help your narrative and ignore the rest. But ok let’s dance again ;)

If you actually read the interview Spencer was talking about the cloud and Xbox’s efforts in that space. Last time I checked Nintendo and Sony didn’t invest billions in cloud technology. MS is competing in the console space, but is also eyeing the relatively untapped console-grade mobile streaming market. A market only occupied by the failing Stadia, but that could change before Xcloud is ready. And Amazon also is heavily invested in cloud and has their own developers, so they can jump in at any time too.

So you see, Ms is just fighting on multiple fronts. They want Xcloud to be the winner against Stadia and anything Amazon brings to the table.

Got a link that Nintendo and Sony are competitors in mobile cloud gaming? Ya didn’t think so....your argument is also bad because you say MS is more invested in services then games.

Their services revolve around games. They have 14 studios working for them. They plan to win in services by loading them up with their exclusives. Ideally, Sony would sell more consoles but Ms would have dozens of millions playing Xcloud on their phone without owning a Xbox. Add Xbox consoles sold and MS just did the ass whooping...in a very out of box thinking way. 

I literally said:  

"Now I am not that naive into thinking that all major franchises will be next gen exclusives in the first year, but it usually are the first party games that are. Like I said, it just feels like MS will again drop the ball because they can never just focus on their console and having the best games on it. You would have thought MS learned their lesson from the time they had circus clowns and people painting elephant asses on stage with Kinect. But apparently not... This time around they are so focused on pushing Game pass that they seem to be forgetting why they are launching a 12Tflops console in the first place."

And as I feared, this is exactly what is happening. MS cares more about Gamepass than the Series X. Hell, Phil is now saying they are not even competing with Sony anymore lol. Maybe I'm missing something here but I honestly don't see what's so great about Gamepass. I tried it on pc, played Gears and then cancelled the subscription. And after the total mess that is Stadia, I have no clue why MS would want to go down the streaming gaming path.   

You sound like an overexcited MS shareholder... But answer me this (and humor me by thinking nobody cares about Cloud gaming and people buy a console first and foremost for the games that are on that platform) Will, or will not make all the stuff you just said the exclusive games on the Series X any better? Or... will they be held back because they care more about having them available on a whole bunch of devices, including the ancient X1? 

What's happening is simple really. All of MS's exclusives will be seriously held back because for MS its more important that they can be played on as many devices as possible, than pushing the hardware of Series X. What's even more sad is that Sony holds over 52% of the gaming subscription market with PS Now, and they are hardly promoting it or making a big deal out of it. This just shows where the priorities lie for each company.

I’m tired of having this talk. Your argument is not a big deal. No launch title, whether natively designed or cross gen, take take as much advantage as a 5/6th year exclusive. Never been done. We will manage just fine with the best versions on Series X and I look forward to showing you the differences between Series X and base X1. 

Xcloud is a separate division from those who made Series X, which is still gonna be more powerful then PS5. Which 3rd party devs will make the most of it at launch and beyond. And like I said, 2 years will fly by so thanks for your concern but we good. So making the argument that Xcloud hinders the console specs is absurd. 

Series X will be pushed hardest....you honestly think Halo Infinite commercials will have the Xbox One logo at the end? Lol dream on. It’s all just options and choices, but you’d be silly to think MS won’t promote Series X the most...it’s their newest console sku. 

I don’t think Ms can win because of Europe and Japan brand loyalty alone, so they are thinking outside the box. An Xcloud user is the same customer as one with a Series X. MS is looking to capitalize Xbox on the untapped millions of smart phone users.....let that sink in. They aren’t there yet, but Spencer is right when he says Nintendo and Sony are ill equipped to follow them in this emerging market. 

Edit: We both know PS Now numbers are only because PS4 sold the most. It by no means is the better service, which should matter more to you and me.

I'm not sure if their exclusives will be held back but this is what MS always does. Instead of just keeping things simple and making a good console with good exclusives they try to branch out into 15 different directions that no one was asking for. They did the same thing with the xbox one and they eventually had to drop the kinect and now they are dropping the TV stuff from their next console. Now they are doing the same thing again. Guess which console did great? The Xbox 360. It was simple and delivered great games. 

I have no idea why they don't just keep things simple. It's exactly what Sony did and it's why they won. They deliver a great console with great games and that's all gamers want. 

They are keeping things simple in that they have 14 studios and a very busy publishing arm making great games. But they offer you a choice where to play it. You say “nobody is asking for”...tell that to those who can’t afford a new console at launch. Tell that to the 2 million PC gamers who bought Halo Reach week 1 (as an example). 

You can say it’s because Sony is dominant in the console space and that’s why MS is branching out to make their mark and money...well I say more power to them.

Nintendo can’t traditionally compete so now they have been doing things different ever since Wii. Not exactly the same situation but I hope you see the similarity/point I’m making. If Ms can’t beat Sony in selling the most boxes, beat them in getting more players via PC and Xcloud, while keeping the console business going and not alienating current Xbox owners who can’t upgrade yet. 

Ok, so you're basically agreeing with MS giving up on the traditional console market because they can't beat Sony at delivering quality exclusives? Maybe that's true but if MS does launch a console that's 30% more powerful than the ps5 (even if it is more expensive), they would definitely have a good selling point, for me at least. But like I said, not if that doesn't translate into the better looking games because they are so focused on stuff like Gamepass, which indeed nobody is asking for. You call streaming services a merging market when we just had one of the worst console launches in history with Stadia, and their tech actually kinda works compared to the Xcloud or other streaming platforms. 

To me it's just silly that someone like Phil Spencer would openly say that Google and Amazon are their main competitors and not the companies that actually make gaming consoles and have the best games on their platforms. It's like they're already throwing in the towel.  

Who said it is because of quality exclusives? MS acquiring studios should tell you otherwise. Brand loyalty, pricing, marketing...there’s more then one factor to selling the most boxes. And who said giving up? It’s called branching out, they can fight on multiple fronts. Lol do you even try to understand what I am saying?

Ill say it again. 3rd parties can get the most as you say out if the platform day 1, which is the majority of games that sell. And again....year 1 exclusives never look as good as year 5 exclusives, doesn’t matter if it’s from PS or MS. Never. Been.  Done. 

Your stance on Game Pass is also indicative of a big disconnect. GP has an extremely high attach rate and is extremely popular/liked by its users. Dream on. 

Thank you for acknowledging Stadia didn’t launch with a good business model and thus will make MSs job easier when Xcloud is ready especially with their 14 studios and back catalog being a huge advantage. 

You merely need to grasp that MS is still making traditional consoles and games but it also entering markets where Sony is weak. Like PC gaming. Like mobile game streaming, which yes Google and Amazon are potential threats. Because Sony doesn’t have any cloud infrastructure. Nintendo can’t compete traditionally so they do things different...MS is doing the same thing (in concept). 

Stop pretending to be objective. It’s obvious you are a PS fan through and through. You aren’t even trying to not be negative. 

You're saying MS has no chance because of brand loyalty, marketing etc. in favor of Sony, yet the 360 almost beat the ps3. So I don't think its totally impossible for MS to sell more consoles. But as Method114 said, they need to keep it simple and just focus on getting the best games possible on their platform, just like they did with the 360 when they had games like Mass Effect, Forza Horizon and Gears that had Sony sweating bullets. 

Now I would totally understand if some high ranking MS exec would say Amazon and Google are their main competitors because of some long term strategy or vision. But this comes from Phil Spencer, the freaking head of MS Gaming and the Xbox brand, a couple of months before releasing their new Xbox...

As a gamer, can you honestly say that you're that excited about Gamepass and how many players they will reach with mobile streaming? Or do you care more about the 12Tflops console they're about to launch and what kind of amazing things developers could potentially do with it? Stadia failing and the lack of promotion for PS Now simply show that not many gamers care about Cloud gaming, at least not in the foreseeable future. For Sony PS Now is just something they do on the side, while they're likely putting all their resources in building new ps5 exclusives that'll take full advantage of the hardware.