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Mr Puggsly said:
simek said:

Im sorry i dont care about toxic masculinity and man who cant handle strong females. Get your self a confidence and open your mind. There is a life outside your Man Cave.  Anyway, i like the trailer, more a teaser.  Cant wait.

Guys don't really hate strong female characters though, they existed in films far before this new progressive bullshit started.

I think the real problem is new movies suck and not just because they cater to SJWs.

Agreed. Some take this laughable stance that if you don't like the new trilogy or Rey, "oh you're just threatened by strong female characters!" The funny thing is, I really think it's the opposite for most of these viewers - at least it is for me. I really enjoy strong female characters - those that are believable and have depth, flaws, etc. Which is why I don't like Rey. Rey doesn't have much in the way of these traits. Rey is NOT a strong female character, in the sense that she has no depth. She's not relatable. 

Katnis Everdeen is one of my favorite characters of the last decade. Yet Rey just gives me a constant feeling of "meh, why should I care?" Well, why is this? It's because Rey is not well written. And the acting isn't particilarly memorable either. And it doesn't help that she's basically been relagated to super-hero status with how untouchable she is, and I'm not typically crazy about cheesy super hero films.

Sure, you can argue she's a Jedi in training, and thus powerful and able to overcome much, but unlike Luke, she just seems to coast by and overpower everything with ease. (though you can largely say this about Anakin and many of the Jedia in the prequels, at least Lucas knew to give Akakin his inner struggles with his mother, his love with Padame, his thurst for power conflicting with his morals, etc. Rey just rings extremely hollow, boring, and souless. It rings as incredibly superficial and pandering to me. And we all know Luke was far from perfect, even weak at times, and had to overcome a lot. 

That isn't a powerful female character to me. This is a boring cardboard cutout and a lazy protagonist. And I would wager many women would agree with me (and I have seen many take a similar stance). Women want female characters they can relate to just like we do. And this usually means characters that may be powerful, but that also have depth, obstacles, and flaws to deal with. I see very little of this with Rey (or most of the new trilogy characters for that matter), which I think is a large part of the reason it feels like this new trilogy is just boring and lacking a soul for the most part. Ironically Kylo is the most interesting aspect of this new trilogy for the most part, because he's at least gvien some depth and flaws.



 

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The problem with the trilogy is the way they are making it. The story is not consistent because every chapter is written and directed by someone else. Its a trilogy torn apart by different visions.



Interesting. I see Lando, Leia.. so that’s good. And if the laugh at the end is Palpatine they kimd of redeemed the trilogy, it was always weird that there’d be someone else that’s that powerful. Palpatine and Vader would’ve known, with Palpatine being perhaps the most powerful Force user ever.



dharh said:
ironmanDX said:

She's going to jump over that advanced tie and slice the cockpit in the trailer guaranteed.

Obi-wan and his high ground be damned. Rey making Anakin "super sayain medi-cholrian count chosen one" Skywalker look like a padawan.

She's a Mary Sue. Indisputable

Jedi Master = Advanced Tie.  M'kay.

Corrupted Anakin fighting against a Jedi Master, who knew him best, who was stronger than him, while Anakin was incredibly emotional, thus making him weaker.

Prophesy is often a duel edged blade.  Anakin did exactly as his 'chosen' status was supposed to do.  Balance the force by killing most of the Jedi.

Emotional Anakin weaker? Tell that to Dooku. Whom he sliced through like butter. The same Dooku that fought yoda to a stalemate.

Butter. Go YouTube the dual.

I'm sorry. As great as Obi-wan is, he's no where near Anakin. I'm sure making the transition from light to dark played a part... But not enough. He's literally a child of the force.

No way Rey has the natural ability or connection to the force to outperform Anakin. In any facet of the Jedi arts.



I didn't like TLJ so I can't say I have real hype for this one. I didn't detest the movie as much as some people do but it's probably in the bottom 3 in my SW list though.



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Looks solid.

Can’t wait to see SW fanboys continue to rage because there’s too many strong gurls in the films.



thismeintiel said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

You could say that bringing the Emperor is a good idea to end the Skywalker saga, but I also take it like an acknowledgement that they completely dropped the ball with the mediocre "villains" in those two movies.

The sad thing is that Snoke actually could have been a good villian.  Especially if they went the Darth Plagueis route, who was already said to have been able to influence life and save others from death with his power.  Instead, he became a big joke.  At one point he's made out to be one of the most powerful Sith, then the next he's cut in half with the most juvenile trick.

Definitely, I completely agree. I remember that some people argued the song used for Snoke during his first hologram appearance was the same used when Palpatine talked about him to Anakin in that coliseum performance thing in The Revenge of the Sith.

Johnson decided that it was more important "trying" to surprise people with Snoke's death than to keep a threatening and dangerous and the main antagonistic figure in the trilogy.

I have to admit, Snoke's death surprised me. But it did surprise me because even though you see the lightsaber moving and know that Kylo is going to try something, I expected a fight or simply an "attempt" against Snoke, I couldn't conceive the idea that they would leave this trilogy completely void of a proper villain but yeah, they went there...

HOWEVER! lol Let us not forget something: Palpatine gave Plagueis the Wise for dead. If the idea was to make Snoke be Plagueis, that means that Plagueis survived an assassination attempt or was capable of a resurrection after Palpatine killed him. So if they choose to resume the idea of Snoke being Plagueis in spite of Episode 8, then they can revive Snoke for episode IX with the same argument of why he was alive, as Snoke, in Episode 7 and how he is capable of creating life and "keep people from dying" which of course Palpatine said Plagueis couldn't do to keep himself from dying but maybe he actually got to do it somehow.

The only problem with the idea above though is that Johnson made Snoke's death very caricature-like, almost funny, and he made him look very dead in the shots of his dead body. So reviving him again and showing how he came back to life may look very forced and possibly jarring.

Ka-pi96 said:

That name though, wow is that a shit name! Skywalker has already risen! Twice in fact with both Anakin and Luke. That title makes it sound like a prequel or something

You know, now that I think about it the name of the movie is indeed shitty, but being a hopeless optimist I kind of expect that name to have a nice explanation to it, even though up to this point and due to the way they have handled the Star Wars story, I know I should know better and not hope for much. lol



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First two Star Wars were the best of the entire series; Star Wars:Last Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. I hated the the Return of the Jedi, what was with those teddy bear things in the jungle what a joke of a film? They had to release 5 more movies and now this one looks it could be contender of the worst Star Wars film of all time!. The Phantom Menace was the suckiest Stars Wars film that ever sucked. It was absolute crap. i can not believe they allowed rubbish like that to be released. Then they made 4 more bad Stars wars films. This is the last Star Wars film in a over milked franchise that should have ended with Return of the Jedi.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
First two Star Wars were the best of the entire series; Star Wars:Last Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. I hated the the Return of the Jedi, what was with those teddy bear things in the jungle what a joke of a film? They had to release 5 more movies and now this one looks it could be contender of the worst Star Wars film of all time!. The Phantom Menace was the suckiest Stars Wars film that ever sucked. It was absolute crap. i can not believe they allowed rubbish like that to be released. Then they made 4 more bad Stars wars films. This is the last Star Wars film in a over milked franchise that should have ended with Return of the Jedi.

I completely agree with your sentiment for Return of the Jedi. The movie has some very nice and important scenes but I have some serious problems with it. The drama even feels like from a soap opera.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
First two Star Wars were the best of the entire series; Star Wars:Last Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. I hated the the Return of the Jedi, what was with those teddy bear things in the jungle what a joke of a film? They had to release 5 more movies and now this one looks it could be contender of the worst Star Wars film of all time!. The Phantom Menace was the suckiest Stars Wars film that ever sucked. It was absolute crap. i can not believe they allowed rubbish like that to be released. Then they made 4 more bad Stars wars films. This is the last Star Wars film in a over milked franchise that should have ended with Return of the Jedi.

I completely agree with your sentiment for Return of the Jedi. The movie has some very nice and important scenes but I have some serious problems with it. The drama even feels like from a soap opera.

The puppets singing at the beginning was embarrassing.