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Forums - Sales Discussion - Weekly Hardware Chart - DECEMBER 9TH 2017

Pillertriller on 08 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.

They weren't a "different era". The DS was born, literally, as the Internet "boom" got going. And it is the second best selling gaming device.....period. The 3DS faces more hurdles, yes, and yet, it still sells well. The hybrid Switch, which takes elements from the Wii U, DS/3DS, is breaking records. And the best you've got is, "yeah, but no one's buying Nintendo's platforms for Nintendo's games".

In a nutshell, no BS side-step, what else sells Nintendo's hardware if it isn't their software? 

Why? Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, MK. Desperated Nintendo Fans because the Wii U desaster were starving for something new. And of course Nintendos luck, that most buyers see in the Switch a new Handheld not a console. The Answer is so easy lol

All you Nintendo fans are acting like Nintendo destroyed the competition doing something ground breaking.



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zorg1000 on 08 January 2018

Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

quickrick on 08 January 2018
zorg1000 said:
Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 



PortisheadBiscuit on 08 January 2018
quickrick said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Hmmmmmmm, ever heard of NES, SNES, and Wii??

nes and super nes had the best third party support in the industry at the time. it was a entirely different era where nintendo was the king of home consoles. wii sold mainly because of motion.

Point is you said MOST of their home consoles fail, 3 of 6 (actually 4 of 6 I dont consider N64 a failure) is not most.

quickrick said:
CGI-Quality said:

N64/GameCube/Wii U vs NES/SNES/Switch. If 3/6 home consoles have "failed", how is that most?

Also, while we're at it, why not include massive successes like the GBA/DS? Or, by comparison, modest successes like the 3DS? What helped the former two sell by the truckload? Nintendo's properties had no hand in it? All questions that I expect answers to.

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, 

You're kidding right? The internet didn't really exist in 2001-2011?? Yeah ok...



quickrick on 08 January 2018
PortisheadBiscuit said:
quickrick said:

nes and super nes had the best third party support in the industry at the time. it was a entirely different era where nintendo was the king of home consoles. wii sold mainly because of motion.

Point is you said MOST of their home consoles fail, 3 of 6 (actually 4 of 6 I dont consider N64 a failure) is not most.

quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, 

You're kidding right? The internet didn't really exist in 2001-2011?? Yeah ok...

ugh i meant on mobile devices. the internet is the best entrainment there is, and it didn't exist on the go/mobile devices.



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zorg1000 on 08 January 2018
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:
Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 

But who are these "casuals" that havent moved over to mobile yet? Can you show me software sales of "casual" Wii/DS franchises that still pushed big numbers on 3DS/Wii U?

If "casual" games didnt sell on 3DS/Wii U than we have to assume that these "casual" gamers were never on them to begin with thus they cannot leave since they dont exist.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Jigsawx1 on 08 January 2018
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 

But who are these "casuals" that havent moved over to mobile yet? Can you show me software sales of "casual" Wii/DS franchises that still pushed big numbers on 3DS/Wii U?

If "casual" games didnt sell on 3DS/Wii U than we have to assume that these "casual" gamers were never on them to begin with thus they cannot leave since they dont exist.

because the casuals didnt had a wiisports on wiiu and the mobile casuals left to the smartphones



zorg1000 on 08 January 2018
Jigsawx1 said:
zorg1000 said:

But who are these "casuals" that havent moved over to mobile yet? Can you show me software sales of "casual" Wii/DS franchises that still pushed big numbers on 3DS/Wii U?

If "casual" games didnt sell on 3DS/Wii U than we have to assume that these "casual" gamers were never on them to begin with thus they cannot leave since they dont exist.

because the casuals didnt had a wiisports on wiiu and the mobile casuals left to the smartphones

Thats exactly what i just said......



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quickrick on 08 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

what are you talking about here? When DS was released nobody was gaming on There phones or watching youtube videos, not to mention surfing the web on the phone even in 2007-2008 was expensive, so i have no idea what you're talking about there.

As for why the switch is selling the way it is. 3ds had a good first year, n64 had good first year. so i expect switch to have a good first year too, with so many killers apps, and attracting both there user bases, but i expect it won't last just like those 2 other consoles. it will probably do 60-70 million ltd,.

Regarding the DS - you have no idea what I'm talking about. Probably the most realistic thing you've said in here. I don't know what the Hell YouTube videos have to do with anything. The internet was just coming into its own in June 2006. Not a hard concept to grasp.

As for those "killer apps" you're suddenly trying to use at convenience - let's take a close look at that. A) The 3DS having a good year has no correlation to the N64 (by your own admission). B) One of them is a "failure", so how does it relate to the other (that isn't a "failure")? C) 60-70 million. What would be wrong with that?

I'm talking about mobile entrainment like the internet and gaming, people will likely not pick up a handheld like the ds/3ds, because kids and adults already have great entertainment on the go on there cell phones,  that didn't exist during the ds era, is this so hard to understand?

As for the second part my example of N64 was US it wasn't' a failure , but its started off amazing, especially for it's time. and only finished at 20 million.



PortisheadBiscuit on 08 January 2018
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:
Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 

I repeat, Switch is not the 3DS. You couldn't play games like Skyrim and Doom on 3DS nor can you on an iphone. People want more than just Pet Rescue and Candy Crush.