deskpro2k3 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Yeah right, except it is your palestinian terrorist friends that are the aggressor, unless you will start arguing that their repeated attacks right after Israel was created is UN approved or something. Maybe the genocide they and all their muslim friends from all the Arab states around Israel which they tried to carry out in 1967 and which they failed so miserably that one feels almost pity for them considering how they were pushed back in 6 days only, maybe Israel trying to defend themselves should be considered illegal, I'm sure it would please guys like you which keep on saying how Israel does not follow the UN rules but at the same time conveniently avoid to talk about that failed invasion and genocide.
Your friends tried and failed and honestly, Israel should have hit them way harder, taken half EACH of those countries as punishment. Right after having Israel's existence threatened to be wiped out, the UN and guys like you whining about Israel daring to take those countries, would have been totally secondary, like: We just kicked a failed genocide against us in the balls, so your western complaints about us defending ourselves is the least of our concerns... Well that's what I would have done cause Israel is too soft and democratic which against those terrorists is definitely not the solution as is proven by a conflict that has lasted since 1947 and will probably have no end for generations and generations...
What's next? I can totally see Iran one day carrying out their plan of wiping Israel off the map as they clearly said they would, or at least trying and the second Israel kicks their asses, you (and a few others in this thread) would whine about how Israel is aggressive towards Iran...
So allow me to doubt your happiness about Israel's success, cause it looks like, I don't know, Hitler's happiness if he was alive and saw the Jewish state standing up strong and very much alive.
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You're starting to sound like a Zionist sympathizer.
Ethnic cleansing is not self-defense. Having empathy for people suffering in gaza does not make people anti-semitic, nor does it make them anti-israel. It makes them human.
You don't even know what happen way before 1947.. They were all living peacefully, the Christians, Muslims, and Jews until Zionist moved in and started with their terrorist attacks against the Brits.
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While I don't care for his tone and am uncomfortable with automatically labeling anti-Israel propaganda anti-Semitic, on the facts he's closer to getting it right. Jews, Christians and Arabs were not 'living peacefully' and then one day the Zionists just decided to attack the British. The early Zionists were rather hopelessly naiive and thought the Arabs would welcome them with open arms if they made their lives better, and in the teens and 20s certain Arab leaders had that exact reaction. But the British appointed Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini, began instigating anti-Jewish pogroms and massacres in 1920, including the 1929 Hebron massacre in which the 3,000 year old Jewish community was destroyed. He also embarked on a campaign of murder against his rivals for the leadership of the Arabs in Palestine, killing off many of the moderate leaders who were more sympathetic to Zionism. It was in response to the attacks on Jews instigated by the Mufti that the large Zionist militias began to form in the 20s and 30s, including the Haganah and the Irgun. In addition, Arab terrorism against British rule predated the Zionist terrorism, and the Hagannah and the British fought together to an extent during the Arab revolt of 1936-1939. The Zionist revolt against the British started in response to the British White Paper of 1939, which cut the Jews of Europe off at the moment they most needed a place to escape the genocide that was starting in Europe.
http://www.thetower.org/article/how-the-mufti-of-jerusalem-created-the-permanent-problem-of-palestinian-violence/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine
Many of the accusations against Israel are flat out false. A case can be made for there having been ethnic cleansing in 1948, when the new state was invaded by many armies and struggling for its survival. There were towns and villages which were expelled over the course of the war. There were still over 100,000 Arabs in the Jewish-controlled territory after the war was finished. At the same time, every Jew was cleansed from the territory Jordan and Egypt conquered. And the Arab states responded to their defeat by kicking out even more Jews than had fled during the 1948 war, creating yet another refugee crisis. Since then there really has been nothing that could constitute ethnic cleansing. The Palestinian population has grown by leaps and bounds, and there has been a distinct lack of forced deportations.
Gaza is an interesting case, as its problems are more self-inflicted because of Hamas misrule, and even then it could be far worse. Gaza has received an extraordinary amount of aid, but Hamas has diverted the bulk of it to procuring more rockets and building underground tunnels into Israel. This year Hamas was finally forced to divert some of its military budget to regular government work because the Palestinian Authority decided to stop paying to do what Hamas refused to do in Gaza, and that is why Hamas agreed to a reconciliation deal a few months back, although it looks like that deal could fall through again. Egypt also maintains a partial blockade of Gaza, and somehow avoids any criticism when it could have easily made Israel's blockade worthless by not going along with it. And even with all that, somehow the humanitarian situation in Gaza manages to be better than in many of the surrounding countries in Many areas. Infant mortality is far lower in Gaza than in Turkey or Iran, and life expectancy is higher as well. And that's when compared to 2 of the greatest regional powers, not war-torn Syria or Yemen. It's not like the situation is good, but relative to elsewhere in the Middle East it does weirdly well. It goes to show just how bad things are in the Middle East in general.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/06/gaza-un-aid-hamas
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-Hamas-stealing-95-percent-of-civilian-cement-transferred-into-Gaza-454999
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/haggai-carmon/perhaps-gaza-should-send_b_636903.html
The whole situation is weird, with Israel supplying humanitarian aid, water, and electricity to a territory ruled by an organization openly at war with it and openly committed to its destruction. I am not aware of any other instance that happening in human history, where a country actively provides aid to its enemy while still technically at war.