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Ljink96 said:

If we didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest, then we can afford for universal healthcare like other nations.

If you mean by 'didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest' is that we straight up rob ALL of the income earned by the 1% then maybe it could work ... 

The founding fathers would be disappointed as shit that our generation is this desperate to even suggest confiscating the entire total income earned by the 1% ... 

It looks like I'm one of the very few last one in our generation who will respect the founding fathers vision and to a much lesser extent the same goes for Trump I guess whereas the rest will defecate on it ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
Ljink96 said:

If we didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest, then we can afford for universal healthcare like other nations.

If you mean by 'didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest' is that we straight up rob ALL of the income earned by the 1% then maybe it could work ... 

The founding fathers would be disappointed as shit that our generation is this desperate to even suggest confiscating the entire total income earned by the 1% ... 

It looks like I'm one of the very few last one in our generation who will respect the founding fathers vision and to a much lesser extent the same goes for Trump I guess whereas the rest will defecate on it ... 

so you bolded and capitalized things you said in order to point out the parts where you are lying??

Why would you bold the parts of your comment that are obviously not true. Are you just trying to point out how much you can exaggerate?

 

Also, you realize the top 1% often pays far less of their income in taxes than the middle class. See, I didn't bold anything because my comment didn't have any lies or insane exaggerations.



fatslob-:O said:
Ljink96 said:

If we didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest, then we can afford for universal healthcare like other nations.

If you mean by 'didn't want to give huge tax cuts to the richest and wealthiest' is that we straight up rob ALL of the income earned by the 1% then maybe it could work ... 

The founding fathers would be disappointed as shit that our generation is this desperate to even suggest confiscating the entire total income earned by the 1% ... 

It looks like I'm one of the very few last one in our generation who will respect the founding fathers vision and to a much lesser extent the same goes for Trump I guess whereas the rest will defecate on it ... 

 

Nice pivot.

Our founding fathers realized if our government was going to last as long as they hoped it did, it would need to be flexible. One way to make that happen was to add the amendment process.

 /end


Now lets get back on track.



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Clever plan though. First the Republicans gut Obamacare so that's not even functioning since it was implemented and now they gut it even more to make it so bad that any shit they come up with seems better in comparison.

Though the joke is that they can't even come up with something better than a completely broken healthcare system. Well done.



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Slownenberg said:

so you bolded and capitalized things you said in order to point out the parts where you are lying??

Why would you bold the parts of your comment that are obviously not true. Are you just trying to point out how much you can exaggerate?

 

Also, you realize the top 1% often pays far less of their income in taxes than the middle class. See, I didn't bold anything because my comment didn't have any lies or insane exaggerations.

Lying ? LOL, you have no idea ... 

The so called 'middle class' doesn't pay shit in terms of federal income tax compared to the top 10% ... 

deskpro2k3 said:

 

Nice pivot.

Our founding fathers realized if our government was going to last as long as they hoped it did, it would need to be flexible. One way to make that happen was to add the amendment process.

 /end


Now lets get back on track.

Not to this degree and I bet they'd disavow our actions since they were against the tyranny of the majority ... (They'd find it absolutely ridiculous that the bottom 99% can dictate what to do with the income of the top 1%.)

There's a reason why a consitutional amendment requires ratification of 3/4ths of the state legislatures and not whatever the whims of the citizens are ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
Slownenberg said:

so you bolded and capitalized things you said in order to point out the parts where you are lying??

Why would you bold the parts of your comment that are obviously not true. Are you just trying to point out how much you can exaggerate?

 

Also, you realize the top 1% often pays far less of their income in taxes than the middle class. See, I didn't bold anything because my comment didn't have any lies or insane exaggerations.

Lying ? LOL, you have no idea ... 

The so called 'middle class' doesn't pay shit in terms of federal income tax compared to the top 10% ... 

Yeah, but doesn't the top 10% make like 90% of the total income? The rich should be paying more percentage wise than the middle or lower class and not less.

So if the top 10% make 90% of all the money they should be paying about 95% of all the income tax.

As your chart beautifully shows, increasing tax on the middle class and the poor does do shit, so taxes are best raised for the richest.



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fatslob-:O said:
 
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Nice pivot.

Our founding fathers realized if our government was going to last as long as they hoped it did, it would need to be flexible. One way to make that happen was to add the amendment process.

 /end


Now lets get back on track.

Not to this degree and I bet they'd disavow our actions since they were against the tyranny of the majority ... (They'd find it absolutely ridiculous that the bottom 99% can dictate what to do with the income of the top 1%.)

There's a reason why a consitutional amendment requires ratification of 3/4ths of the state legislatures and not whatever the whims of the citizens are ... 

 

please, life back then is completely different from now, so lets keep away from speculations, I or you don't speak for the founders. pivot back on track.



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Trump caught in another lie? you dont say... You cant take this man's word for anything.



vivster said:

Yeah, but doesn't the top 10% make like 90% of the total income? The rich should be paying more percentage wise than the middle or lower class and not less.

So if the top 10% make 90% of all the money they should be paying about 95% of all the income tax.

As your chart beautifully shows, increasing tax on the middle class and the poor does do shit, so taxes are best raised for the richest.

LAWL no, where did you even get the idea that 10% took in 90% of the entire share of total US income ? How does the 90% even live in these expensive cities with 10% of the income share ? The top 10% rakes in 45% of the total US income just to show you how progressive the tax system is I'll give you these stats ... 

The top 10% is only allowed to take in 72% of their income ... (28% goes into federal income tax)

The top 5% is only allowed to take in 67% of their income ... (33% goes into federal income tax)

The top 1% is only allowed to take in 60% of their income ... (40% goes into federal income tax) 

The best part of it all is that all of this only includes federal income tax so the rich take in even LOWER share depending on their state/district ... (Only way to get lower tax rates is throught stocks or bonds but that's different since you can't cash in directly on reinvestments and it benefits common americans too) 

Like I said, the only way subsidized healthcare would work is if we rob the 1% income every year instead ... 

deskpro2k3 said:

please, life back then is completely different from now, so lets keep away from speculations, I or you don't speak for the founders. pivot back on track.

Good governance requires consistency and precedent so that does not mean amending the constitution whenever the majority feels fit, that means amending it in emergencies or times of need ... 

FYI, the founding fathers did fear tyranny of the majority and that's why our electoral college reflects that ... 

I'm sorely disappointed that my generation would dare threaten the very foundations of the free world which includes protecting the rights of minorities by normalizing that stealing from rich people is OK ... (If we're going that route I'd prefer all supreme court justices to be conservative since I'd want a court that delivers justice for the weak and that's exactly what the rich is, helpless against the masses who do nothing but shun the fortune of others.) 

Since you asked I guess I'll back off from this topic ... 



So people ONLY have 6 1/2 weeks to get their shit together and go down to the library and get help signing up for something they should be able to do on their own because the Dems made the sign-up user friendly? Saving the taxpayers 1/2 of the cost of having these helpers, These same taxpayers who are paying more for their own healthcare because of the subsidies that go to these people who need the help to sign up? Win Win for the actual taxpayer! Thanks again Trump.