How is that not so? That's the question. You just have to look at times of humanity where there were no  governments or anything. There will be still people ruling regions and fighting for areas, if family clans or whatever.  Just that these groups care even less about the "normal" people living there.

Because even with laws, some people choose to do the wrong thing and hurt other people for their own gain. It is not a need based thing. There are plenty of people who are not and never have been in need who will take advantage of others for their own gain. How will you convince everyone to get along without any structure or system in place? 

You're assuming that people just decide out of nowhere that they're going to murder someone, or commit rape. It's much more complicated than that.

No, I just understand humans and how some of them are to fuck everything up.

And there's also a lot of humans that care for and look out for others. Humans are naturally social, that's why we have speech, as we required teamwork in hunting and gathering tactics.

That's not even the main thing. How will infrastructure and living conditions remain at any reasonable level? Their are jobs, whether risky or unpleasant that people do not want to do. Without a currency system in place (or a brutally oppressive government like the Soviet Union under Stalin) how do you induce people to do those jobs? Heck, how do you induce peopleto do even regular jobs when it would be quicker and easier to use violence to obtain what they want? Ancom has never worked historically. Even the hippies communes based along those ideas fell apart typcially within years.

Yes, there are humans who care for each other but those never really stopped the humans who are not like that.

What is your grand plan? All good guys work together to stop all bad guys, the bad guys will just stop to be bad because the good guys say it and everyone will work together? We will live all together on the planet and everything will just work well with everyone responsible for himself and his orange tree which he always does get enough oranges from without anyone else taking them?

Common...

Even small villages in a jungle have one or more "leader" for a reason. It doesn't work otherwise over a long time. And if even these small villages with people who are still living like thousand years ago have some people considered to be "above" the others, how in the world do you expect a city with millions of people to function just on the basis of "we all live friendly together and teamwork will do it for us"? 

Man, you can get robbed on the street with 100 people who see it and nobody will help you but you think you could work together with them without criminals taking over your area...

No we're not ... 

Turkey has many more things to undercome aside from their leadership and secularism (or lack thereof) before they can be a modern developed nation ... 

Turkey in my eyes was NEVER a 'developed' nation so to speak and instead is 'industrialized' which comes with many problems such as social instability or demographics or institutions like we see with other industrialized nations ...

Turkey teaching it's next generation jihad doesn't change their nations status ... 

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

Let me just remind the people in this thread that Turkey got this way because the socially conservative Turkish in more rural areas (i.e. the Anatolian heartlands) outbred the more secular-minded Turkish (the coastal cities, more or less).

They got their way, not because it is right, but because they outbred their competitors (though the Kurds are doing the same :P)